Kassette 24b - Psi-Tage Round Table (1983-11-04)
KI-Transkription (AssemblyAI), automatische Sprechertrennung, ungeprüft. Sprecher A/B/… noch nicht namentlich zugeordnet.

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=== Sprecher A (ab 0:08) ===
[0:08.1] Il
[0:08.5] insiste
[0:09.1] d'une
[0:09.8] façon
[0:10.3] absolument
[0:11.0] expresse
[0:12.3] sur
[0:13.3] le
[0:13.5] fait
[0:14.3] que,
[0:15.3] au
[0:15.4] moins
[0:15.8] dans
[0:16.1] le
[0:16.4] paradigme
[0:17.0] français
[0:17.6] actuel,
[0:19.6] la
[0:19.6] science
[0:21.0] est
[0:21.2] fondée
[0:22.4] sur
[0:23.0] le
[0:23.1] postulat
[0:23.8] de
[0:23.9] l'objectivité
[0:24.9] de
[0:24.9] la
[0:25.0] nature.
[0:26.6] Et
[0:26.7] que,
[0:27.9] en
[0:28.0] dehors
[0:28.5] de
[0:28.6] l'objectivité,
[0:30.5] tout
[0:30.7] le
[0:30.8] reste
[0:31.4] qui
[0:31.6] peut
[0:31.9] exister
[0:32.4] n'entre
[0:33.7] pas
[0:33.8] dans
[0:34.0] le
[0:34.1] domaine
[0:34.4] de
[0:34.5] la
[0:34.6] science,
[0:35.1] n'est
[0:35.2] pas
[0:35.3] scientifique.
[0:37.2] Or,
[0:38.2] il
[0:38.3] me
[0:38.4] semble
[0:38.9] que
[0:39.0] la
[0:39.2] grande
[0:39.6] révolution,
[0:41.1] et
[0:41.1] la
[0:41.3] vraie
[0:41.5] révolution
[0:42.9] de
[0:43.1] cette
[0:43.5] seconde
[0:44.0] moitié
[0:45.2] de
[0:45.3] notre
[0:45.6] siècle,
[0:46.6] c'est
[0:47.0] que
[0:47.3] l'on
[0:47.7] voit
[0:49.1] par
[0:49.7] des
[0:49.8] disciplines
[0:50.5] très
[0:50.7] variées
[0:51.9] Aussi
[0:52.2] bien
[0:53.0] par
[0:53.2] la
[0:53.3] physique
[0:53.6] que
[0:54.4] par
[0:54.6] la
[0:54.7] sociologie
[0:56.4] et
[0:56.8] d'autres
[0:57.1] sciences
[0:57.6] de
[0:57.6] l'homme,
[0:58.4] l'on
[0:58.8] voit
[0:59.3] se
[0:59.5] réintroduire
[1:00.5] le
[1:00.6] sujet
[1:02.2] observateur
[1:03.3] et
[1:03.6] expérimentateur
[1:05.6] dans
[1:05.8] le
[1:06.0] domaine
[1:06.3] de
[1:06.4] la
[1:06.5] science.
[1:07.6] Et
[1:07.8] cela,
[1:08.6] c'est
[1:08.7] tout
[1:08.8] nouveau
[1:09.1] et
[1:09.2] c'est
[1:09.4] une
[1:09.5] révolution.
[1:11.1] Je
[1:11.1] m'en
[1:11.3] réjouis
[1:11.8] parce
[1:12.3] qu'elle
[1:13.4] finira
[1:14.8] dans
[1:14.9] quelque
[1:15.3] temps,
[1:15.5] dans
[1:15.7] 15
[1:16.0] ans
[1:16.1] peut-être
[1:16.5] puisque
[1:16.8] je
[1:16.9] le
[1:17.0] dis
[1:17.3] aujourd'hui,
[1:18.2] par
[1:18.6] lever
[1:19.7] chez
[1:19.8] nous
[1:20.0] le
[1:20.2] complexe
[1:20.7] de
[1:20.9] Galilée.
[1:22.4] En
[1:22.5] effet,
[1:23.3] pour
[1:23.6] la
[1:23.7] science
[1:24.0] objective,
[1:25.2] c'est
[1:25.3] le
[1:25.4] Soleil
[1:25.9] qui
[1:26.0] est
[1:26.0] le
[1:26.1] centre
[1:26.5] de
[1:26.6] la
[1:26.7] nature
[1:27.4] proche,
[1:29.2] tandis
[1:29.7] que
[1:30.5] pour
[1:31.7] une
[1:31.8] science
[1:32.3] qui
[1:32.5] réintroduit
[1:33.1] le
[1:33.3] sujet,
[1:34.7] eh
[1:34.8] bien,
[1:35.6] jusqu'à
[1:36.0] preuve
[1:36.2] du
[1:36.3] contraire,
[1:37.4] c'est
[1:37.5] le
[1:37.6] sujet
[1:38.3] humain
[1:38.7] qui
[1:39.2] reste
[1:40.1] le
[1:40.1] centre
[1:40.5] informatique
[1:41.2] de
[1:41.3] l'univers.

=== Sprecher B (ab 1:48) ===
[1:48.3] Ich
[1:48.4] glaube,
[1:48.7] Herr
[1:48.9] Welti
[1:49.7] wollte
[1:50.4] sich
[1:50.5] zu
[1:50.7] Wort
[1:50.8] melden.

=== Sprecher C (ab 1:52) ===
[1:52.6] Ja,
[1:53.0] ich
[1:53.1] möchte
[1:53.6] nur
[1:53.9] schnell
[1:54.4] als
[1:54.8] Nichtakademiker
[1:56.2] eigentlich
[1:57.2] der
[1:57.4] Wissenschaft
[1:58.0] doch
[1:58.3] noch
[1:58.5] etwas
[1:58.8] zugutereden.
[2:01.0] Es
[2:01.2] gibt
[2:01.6] Wissenschaftler,
[2:02.4] die
[2:02.5] sich
[2:02.9] mit
[2:03.8] nicht
[2:04.2] reproduzierbaren
[2:05.6] Phänomenen
[2:06.3] befassen,
[2:07.4] zum
[2:07.6] Beispiel
[2:08.2] die
[2:08.4] Astrophysiker.
[2:10.0] Entstehung
[2:10.5] des
[2:10.8] Planetensystems
[2:12.1] und
[2:12.2] solche
[2:12.6] Geschichten,
[2:13.3] oder
[2:13.6] dann
[2:15.0] Klimaentwicklung
[2:16.3] in
[2:16.3] der
[2:16.6] Erdgeschichte,
[2:17.4] das
[2:17.6] sind
[2:17.8] alles
[2:18.0] nicht
[2:18.4] reproduzierbare
[2:20.0] Sachen.
[2:21.1] Und
[2:21.3] diese
[2:21.6] Leute
[2:22.1] haben
[2:22.4] doch
[2:23.6] nach
[2:23.9] meiner
[2:24.2] Erfahrung
[2:25.5] ein
[2:25.6] gewisses
[2:26.1] Verständnis,
[2:27.0] dass
[2:27.3] man
[2:27.5] sich
[2:27.8] mit
[2:27.9] solchen
[2:28.4] Problemen,
[2:29.1] wie
[2:29.2] wir
[2:29.4] das
[2:29.6] hier
[2:29.9] tun,
[2:30.6] befassen.
[2:31.6] Ich
[2:31.7] will
[2:31.8] nicht
[2:32.1] sagen,
[2:32.2] dass
[2:32.5] sie
[2:32.5] das
[2:32.7] einfach
[2:33.0] glauben,
[2:33.4] das
[2:33.6] ist
[2:33.8] klar,
[2:34.6] aber
[2:34.9] sie
[2:35.0] haben
[2:35.4] ein
[2:35.6] Verständnis
[2:36.4] dafür,
[2:37.0] dass
[2:37.3] man
[2:37.8] sich
[2:38.2] damit
[2:38.8] befasst.
[2:39.3] Und
[2:39.5] ich
[2:39.6] glaube,
[2:40.0] man
[2:40.2] findet
[2:41.3] schon
[2:41.7] unter
[2:41.9] den
[2:42.1] Wissenschaftlern
[2:43.0] auch
[2:43.2] Leute,
[2:44.3] die
[2:45.2] dafür
[2:45.5] ein
[2:45.6] Verständnis
[2:46.2] haben.
[2:46.4] Und
[2:46.5] wir
[2:46.6] sollten
[2:46.9] versuchen,
[2:47.4] uns
[2:47.6] nicht
[2:48.4] mit
[2:48.7] der
[2:48.8] Wissenschaft
[2:49.5] zu
[2:49.6] verfeinden,
[2:51.2] sondern
[2:51.7] wir
[2:52.1] sollten
[2:52.5] versuchen,
[2:53.0] doch
[2:54.2] uns
[2:54.7] irgendwie
[2:55.1] mit
[2:55.5] ihnen
[2:55.8] anzulegen
[2:56.6] und
[2:56.9] dann
[2:57.3] gemeinsam
[2:58.7] an
[2:58.9] diese
[2:59.2] Probleme
[2:59.8] herangehen
[3:00.3] zu
[3:00.5] können.

=== Sprecher B (ab 3:02) ===
[3:02.3] Das
[3:02.6] ist
[3:02.9] sicher
[3:03.2] der
[3:03.4] Fall.
[3:04.1] Ist
[3:04.2] einzig
[3:04.8] wahrscheinlich
[3:05.4] das,
[3:05.7] dass
[3:06.0] die
[3:06.2] Gewissenschaft
[3:07.1] als
[3:07.3] Ganzes
[3:08.5] vielleicht
[3:09.0] eine
[3:09.6] etwas
[3:10.2] starre
[3:10.7] Front
[3:11.2] bildet,
[3:11.7] so
[3:11.9] wie
[3:12.1] wir
[3:12.2] das
[3:12.6] vorhin
[3:13.0] beschrieben
[3:13.7] haben.
[3:14.4] Aber
[3:14.6] die
[3:14.8] Lichtblicke
[3:16.4] einzelner
[3:17.5] Wissenschaftler,
[3:19.2] die
[3:19.5] sich
[3:19.8] sehr
[3:20.3] interessieren,
[3:21.2] engagieren,
[3:21.9] das
[3:22.2] ist
[3:22.4] sicher
[3:22.7] da.
[3:23.3] Herr
[3:23.5] Welti
[3:23.8] möchte
[3:24.1] noch
[3:24.4] nachfragen.

=== Sprecher C (ab 3:24) ===
[3:24.6] Ich
[3:24.7] möchte
[3:24.8] nur
[3:25.0] noch
[3:25.7] ergänzend
[3:26.5] sagen,
[3:26.9] wir
[3:27.1] haben
[3:27.3] ja
[3:27.7] im
[3:27.8] Grunde
[3:28.1] genommen
[3:28.5] keine
[3:29.0] Not.
[3:29.7] Die
[3:29.9] Dinge
[3:30.3] sind
[3:30.5] ja
[3:30.7] so,
[3:30.9] wie
[3:31.1] sie
[3:31.3] sind.
[3:32.5] Entweder
[3:33.0] gibt
[3:33.4] es
[3:33.7] das
[3:33.9] Löffelbiegen
[3:34.7] oder
[3:34.9] es
[3:35.1] gibt
[3:35.4] es
[3:35.6] nicht.
[3:36.6] Es
[3:36.6] ist
[3:36.8] nur
[3:37.0] die
[3:37.1] Frage,
[3:38.3] es
[3:38.5] festzustellen.
[3:40.1] Wir
[3:40.2] können
[3:40.6] nicht
[3:40.9] mit
[3:41.1] dem
[3:41.3] Glauben
[3:42.3] daran,
[3:43.3] ob
[3:43.5] es
[3:43.6] das
[3:43.9] gibt
[3:44.1] oder
[3:44.3] nicht,
[3:45.9] die
[3:46.1] Sache
[3:46.4] beeinflussen.
[3:47.7] Wenn
[3:47.9] wir
[3:48.0] nicht
[3:48.3] daran
[3:48.7] glauben,
[3:49.0] dann
[3:49.2] heißt
[3:49.5] es
[3:49.6] nicht,
[3:49.9] dass
[3:50.1] es
[3:50.3] das
[3:50.9] nicht
[3:51.2] gibt.
[3:51.4] Also
[3:51.9] die
[3:52.1] Tatsache
[3:52.7] steht
[3:53.1] fest,
[3:53.4] es
[3:53.5] ist
[3:53.7] genau
[3:54.0] wie
[3:54.1] mit
[3:54.3] dem
[3:54.5] lieben
[3:54.7] Gott,
[3:55.4] entweder
[3:55.7] gibt
[3:56.1] es
[3:56.3] ihn
[3:56.5] oder
[3:56.7] gibt
[3:57.0] es
[3:57.1] ihn
[3:57.3] nicht.
[3:57.9] Es
[3:58.1] hängt
[3:58.3] nicht
[3:58.6] davon
[3:59.1] ab,
[3:59.3] ob
[3:59.5] wir
[3:59.6] an
[3:59.7] ihn
[3:59.9] glauben
[4:00.4] oder
[4:00.6] nicht.
[4:01.7] Also
[4:01.8] es
[4:02.0] gibt
[4:02.2] auch
[4:02.5] irgendwelche
[4:03.7] Theorien,
[4:04.4] die
[4:04.5] natürlich
[4:06.0] da
[4:06.7] tiefer
[4:07.4] gründen,
[4:07.9] aber
[4:08.6] im
[4:08.7] Prinzip
[4:09.2] ist
[4:09.4] es
[4:09.5] doch
[4:09.7] unsere
[4:10.0] Erfahrung,
[4:10.7] die
[4:10.7] Sache
[4:11.2] ist
[4:11.6] einfach
[4:11.9] so,
[4:12.0] wie
[4:12.1] sie
[4:12.3] ist,
[4:12.5] und
[4:12.7] wir
[4:12.8] dürfen
[4:13.1] uns
[4:13.3] nicht
[4:13.6] zu
[4:13.7] stark
[4:14.2] darauf
[4:14.6] anlegen,
[4:16.4] dass
[4:18.0] der
[4:18.3] Glaube
[4:19.4] die
[4:19.5] Dinge
[4:19.9] umstürzen
[4:20.6] kann.

=== Sprecher B (ab 4:22) ===
[4:22.0] Danke.
[4:22.8] Ja,
[4:23.1] nur
[4:23.3] schnell
[4:23.6] zwischendrin,
[4:24.3] wir
[4:24.5] haben
[4:24.8] ja
[4:25.0] gestern
[4:25.4] in
[4:25.5] einem
[4:25.7] Workshop
[4:26.4] doch
[4:26.6] auch
[4:26.9] kleine
[4:27.3] Experimente
[4:28.2] gemacht,
[4:28.6] und
[4:28.8] ich
[4:28.9] fände
[4:29.2] es
[4:29.3] an
[4:29.5] der
[4:29.6] Zeit,
[4:30.5] als
[4:30.9] eine
[4:31.1] kleine
[4:31.5] Erholung
[4:32.1] für
[4:32.2] die
[4:32.4] Podiumsteilnehmer,
[4:33.7] dass
[4:33.8] uns
[4:34.1] Herr
[4:34.2] Gruber
[4:34.9] mal
[4:35.1] kurz
[4:35.5] über
[4:35.8] diese
[4:36.5] In-vitro-Experimente
[4:38.2] mit
[4:38.4] seinen
[4:38.7] kleinen
[4:39.1] Biestern
[4:39.8] berichten
[4:40.4] würde.

=== Sprecher D (ab 4:43) ===
[4:43.3] Ja,
[4:43.5] also
[4:43.7] zunächst
[4:44.1] mal
[4:44.8] muss
[4:45.0] man
[4:45.2] vorschicken,
[4:45.9] dass
[4:46.0] diese
[4:46.4] Experimente
[4:47.4] unter
[4:47.6] Anführungszeichen
[4:48.6] also
[4:48.9] nicht
[4:49.1] in
[4:49.8] dem
[4:50.1] Rahmen
[4:50.4] durchgeführt
[4:51.1] wurden,
[4:51.4] wo
[4:51.6] wir
[4:51.7] ideale
[4:52.7] Versuchsbedingungen
[4:53.6] haben
[4:53.9] können.
[4:54.8] Trotzdem
[4:55.5] haben
[4:56.0] die
[4:56.7] beiden
[4:57.0] Biologen
[4:58.1] Jörg
[4:58.6] Hallen
[4:58.9] und
[4:59.1] Christian
[4:59.6] Sengstad
[5:00.1] vom
[5:00.4] Biozentrum
[5:00.9] hier
[5:01.0] in
[5:01.1] Basel,
[5:01.6] bei
[5:01.7] denen
[5:01.9] ich
[5:02.0] mich
[5:02.2] nochmal
[5:02.9] recht
[5:03.2] herzlich
[5:03.5] für
[5:03.6] diese
[5:03.8] Experimente
[5:04.2] bedanken
[5:04.8] möchte,
[5:05.7] alles
[5:05.9] Mögliche
[5:06.4] getan,
[5:06.9] um
[5:07.6] ein
[5:07.7] relativ
[5:08.9] sauberes
[5:09.5] oder
[5:09.7] zwei
[5:10.0] relativ
[5:10.5] saubere
[5:11.0] Experimente
[5:11.7] in
[5:11.8] dieser
[5:12.8] Umgebung
[5:13.2] durchführen
[5:13.7] zu
[5:13.8] können.
[5:14.2] Ganz
[5:14.7] kurz
[5:14.8] gesagt
[5:15.8] wurde
[5:16.0] Folgendes
[5:16.5] gemacht:
[5:17.5] Zwei
[5:18.1] der
[5:18.4] hier
[5:18.7] anwesenden
[5:19.0] Heiler,
[5:19.6] Keith
[5:19.9] Sherwood
[5:20.4] und
[5:20.6] John
[5:20.9] Clark,
[5:21.8] haben
[5:22.2] sich
[5:22.4] an
[5:22.6] 2
[5:23.4] Bakterienexperimente
[5:24.4] herangewagt.
[5:25.3] Eines
[5:25.6] davon
[5:26.5] sah
[5:26.6] folgendermaßen
[5:27.4] aus,
[5:27.7] dass
[5:28.3] E.-coli-Bakterien
[5:30.1] in
[5:30.5] einem
[5:31.8] Minimalmedium
[5:32.8] aus
[5:32.9] Glukose
[5:33.6] und
[5:33.7] Laktose
[5:34.4] als
[5:34.6] Energiequelle
[5:36.6] aufwuchsen.
[5:38.2] Und
[5:38.5] im
[5:38.6] Normalfall
[5:40.0] verbraucht
[5:40.6] zunächst
[5:41.1] einmal
[5:41.5] dieses
[5:41.8] Bakterium—
[5:42.3] wenn
[5:42.4] ich
[5:42.5] einen
[5:42.6] Fehler
[5:42.9] mache,
[5:43.3] dann
[5:43.5] bitte
[5:43.8] ich
[5:43.8] die
[5:43.9] Biologen,
[5:44.2] mich
[5:44.4] zu
[5:44.6] unterbrechen—
[5:45.9] zunächst
[5:46.6] einmal
[5:47.2] die
[5:47.3] Glukose.
[5:48.4] Weil
[5:48.6] das
[5:48.8] für
[5:49.0] das
[5:49.2] Bakterium
[5:49.7] sozusagen
[5:50.2] einfacher
[5:50.8] ist.
[5:51.0] Es
[5:51.2] baut
[5:51.5] danach,
[5:52.0] nachdem
[5:52.2] die
[5:52.3] ganze
[5:52.6] Glukose
[5:53.0] abgebaut
[5:53.6] ist,
[5:54.2] in
[5:54.5] einer
[5:54.9] kleinen
[5:55.8] Phase
[5:56.2] der
[5:56.5] Ruhe
[5:56.7] sozusagen
[5:57.4] Enzyme
[5:58.0] auf,
[5:58.4] mit
[5:58.5] deren
[5:58.8] Hilfe
[5:59.6] schließlich
[5:59.9] das
[6:00.1] Bakterium
[6:00.5] dann
[6:00.7] auch
[6:00.9] die
[6:01.0] Laktose
[6:01.6] abbaut.
[6:02.6] Die
[6:02.8] Idee
[6:03.1] in
[6:03.2] diesem
[6:03.5] Experiment
[6:04.2] war,
[6:05.0] dass
[6:05.7] John
[6:05.9] Clark
[6:06.3] in
[6:06.4] diesem
[6:06.7] Fall
[6:06.9] versuchen
[6:07.4] sollte,
[6:08.2] durch
[6:08.4] paranormalen
[6:09.4] Einfluss
[6:10.4] schon
[6:10.7] diese
[6:11.2] Enzyme,
[6:11.9] die
[6:12.0] für
[6:12.2] den
[6:12.5] Abbau
[6:12.9] der
[6:13.4] Laktose
[6:14.1] vonnöten
[6:14.7] sind,
[6:15.4] vor
[6:15.9] dieser
[6:16.1] kleinen
[6:16.5] Latenzphase
[6:17.4] sozusagen
[6:18.1] aufzubauen,
[6:18.8] bevor
[6:19.0] also
[6:19.2] noch
[6:19.4] die
[6:19.5] ganze
[6:19.8] Glukose
[6:21.2] aufgefressen
[6:22.0] wurde,
[6:22.1] wenn
[6:22.3] man
[6:22.5] so
[6:22.5] möchte,
[6:23.7] damit
[6:24.1] sich
[6:24.4] auf
[6:24.6] der
[6:25.3] Grafik
[6:25.9] also
[6:26.1] dann
[6:26.2] nicht
[6:26.4] mehr
[6:26.5] dieser
[6:26.7] kleine
[6:27.6] Knick
[6:28.1] ergibt,
[6:28.5] wo
[6:28.6] also
[6:28.9] diese
[6:29.0] Latenzphase
[6:29.7] sozusagen
[6:30.2] eintritt,
[6:30.9] sondern
[6:31.2] damit
[6:31.5] also
[6:31.8] eine
[6:32.3] direkte
[6:33.2] Linie
[6:33.5] dann
[6:33.7] sichtbar
[6:34.1] werden
[6:34.4] würde.
[6:35.5] Was
[6:35.8] passiert
[6:36.2] ist,
[6:36.6] ist
[6:36.9] ein
[6:37.1] unerwartetes
[6:37.9] Ergebnis
[6:38.5] zunächst
[6:38.8] gewesen,
[6:39.9] und
[6:40.2] zwar
[6:40.7] ist,
[6:40.9] nachdem
[6:41.3] also
[6:41.5] offenbar
[6:41.8] die
[6:42.1] Glukose
[6:42.7] abgebaut
[6:43.4] war,
[6:44.6] wuchsen
[6:44.9] die
[6:45.0] Bakterien
[6:45.9] der
[6:46.3] von
[6:46.6] Joan
[6:47.5] Clark
[6:47.8] beeinflussten
[6:48.7] Lösung
[6:49.1] überhaupt
[6:49.5] nicht
[6:49.7] mehr
[6:49.9] weiter.
[6:50.8] Das
[6:50.8] heißt,
[6:51.1] man
[6:51.2] bekam
[6:51.5] dann
[6:51.8] einfach
[6:52.5] erst
[6:52.6] zunächst
[6:52.9] mal
[6:53.0] eine
[6:53.5] gerade
[6:53.9] Linie.
[6:54.6] Man
[6:54.8] könnte
[6:55.1] das
[6:55.3] nun
[6:55.3] interpretieren
[6:56.5] vom
[6:56.6] parapsychologischen
[6:57.3] Standpunkt
[6:57.9] aus:
[6:58.2] Hier
[6:58.3] war
[6:58.7] ein
[6:59.0] Psi-Effekt
[6:59.8] da,
[7:00.0] und
[7:00.1] zwar
[7:00.4] ein
[7:00.5] Psi-Effekt,
[7:01.1] der
[7:01.2] nun
[7:01.8] die
[7:01.8] Bakterien
[7:02.4] zu
[7:02.6] diesem
[7:03.3] gewissen
[7:03.6] Zeitpunkt
[7:04.4] nach
[7:05.2] dem
[7:05.4] Abbau
[7:05.6] der
[7:05.7] Glukose
[7:06.3] abgetötet
[7:07.1] hatte.
[7:08.0] Man
[7:08.2] kann
[7:08.4] natürlich
[7:09.1] auch
[7:09.3] vom
[7:09.5] biologischen
[7:10.3] Standpunkt
[7:11.4] zunächst
[7:12.0] einmal
[7:12.8] die
[7:13.0] Annahme
[7:13.3] machen,
[7:13.6] da
[7:13.9] ist
[7:14.1] irgendetwas
[7:14.9] falsch
[7:15.3] gewesen
[7:15.8] an
[7:15.9] diesem
[7:16.2] Experiment.
[7:16.9] Und
[7:17.1] das
[7:17.3] ist
[7:17.4] ja
[7:18.1] in
[7:18.1] den
[7:18.3] allermeisten
[7:19.2] Versuchen
[7:19.7] der
[7:19.7] Wissenschaft
[7:20.1] so,
[7:20.5] wenn
[7:20.6] man
[7:20.8] zunächst
[7:21.1] einmal
[7:21.5] ein
[7:21.8] unerklärliches
[7:22.6] Ergebnis
[7:23.1] bekommt,
[7:23.5] denkt
[7:23.7] man
[7:23.8] zunächst,
[7:24.2] man
[7:24.4] hat
[7:24.5] was
[7:24.7] falsch
[7:25.0] gemacht,
[7:25.8] um
[7:25.9] noch
[7:26.0] mal
[7:26.2] genauer
[7:26.5] nachzufragen.
[7:27.8] Es
[7:27.9] kann
[7:28.1] ein
[7:28.2] Fehler
[7:28.5] im
[7:28.6] System
[7:29.1] zum
[7:29.3] Beispiel
[7:29.8] gewesen
[7:30.2] sein,
[7:30.5] und
[7:30.9] man
[7:31.0] kann
[7:31.2] eine
[7:31.5] endgültige
[7:32.3] Antwort
[7:32.7] praktisch
[7:33.1] nur
[7:33.2] bekommen,
[7:33.7] wenn
[7:33.9] man
[7:34.5] solche
[7:34.8] Versuche,
[7:35.4] die
[7:35.5] hier
[7:35.7] sozusagen
[7:36.6] als
[7:36.7] Demonstrations-Pilotexperimente
[7:38.9] gemacht
[7:39.3] wurden,
[7:40.0] unter
[7:40.3] besseren
[7:40.8] Kontrollbedingungen
[7:41.9] öfters
[7:42.8] nachvollzieht.
[7:43.6] Und
[7:43.6] wenn
[7:43.7] man
[7:43.9] dann
[7:44.5] mehrmals
[7:45.0] diesen
[7:46.4] Effekt
[7:47.0] erhält,
[7:47.5] dann
[7:47.7] kann
[7:47.9] man
[7:48.4] mit
[7:48.5] größerer
[7:48.9] Sicherheit
[7:49.3] sagen,
[7:49.5] dass
[7:49.7] hier
[7:49.8] Psi
[7:50.1] im
[7:50.2] Spiele
[7:50.6] war.
[7:51.3] Im
[7:51.4] zweiten
[7:51.9] Experiment
[7:52.5] mit
[7:53.0] Keith
[7:53.2] Sherwood
[7:54.1] waren
[7:54.3] es
[7:54.5] auch
[7:54.9] Kolibakterien,
[7:55.9] die
[7:55.9] hier
[7:56.1] beeinflusst
[7:56.7] werden
[7:56.9] sollten,
[7:57.4] allerdings
[7:58.3] in
[7:58.4] einer
[7:58.7] anderen
[7:59.1] Form.
[7:59.9] In
[8:00.0] diesem
[8:00.3] Fall
[8:01.0] befand
[8:01.4] sich
[8:01.9] die
[8:02.4] Bakterienlösung
[8:03.4] in
[8:03.7] einem
[8:04.1] Wasserbad
[8:04.8] von
[8:04.8] 30
[8:05.2] Grad
[8:05.4] Celsius.
[8:06.1] Und
[8:06.8] in
[8:06.9] diesem
[8:07.2] Wasserbad
[8:07.7] bleibt
[8:08.2] ein
[8:08.7] Virus,
[8:09.1] der
[8:09.3] sich
[8:09.4] in
[8:09.5] den
[8:09.7] Bakterien
[8:10.1] befindet,
[8:10.9] schlafend.
[8:12.4] Wird
[8:12.6] dann
[8:13.2] diese
[8:13.6] Bakterienkultur
[8:14.7] in
[8:15.3] eine
[8:15.5] erhöhte
[8:15.8] Temperatur
[8:16.4] gesetzt
[8:16.9] von
[8:17.1] 42
[8:17.8] Grad
[8:18.0] Celsius,
[8:19.0] dann
[8:19.2] wird
[8:19.5] dadurch
[8:20.1] dem
[8:20.3] Virus
[8:20.8] ein
[8:21.1] Impuls
[8:21.9] gegeben
[8:22.4] aufzuwachen.
[8:23.0] Und
[8:23.4] dieser
[8:23.5] Virus
[8:23.8] zerstört
[8:24.4] dann
[8:24.7] das
[8:25.0] Bakterium
[8:25.6] und
[8:25.6] die
[8:25.7] Bakterien
[8:26.2] sterben
[8:26.5] ab.
[8:27.6] Die
[8:28.0] Frage
[8:28.4] war
[8:28.6] an
[8:28.6] den
[8:29.0] Heiler:
[8:30.0] Ist
[8:30.1] es
[8:30.2] möglich,
[8:31.2] durch
[8:31.8] Handauflegen
[8:32.8] an
[8:32.9] der
[8:33.2] Flasche,
[8:33.6] während
[8:34.0] sie
[8:34.1] sich
[8:34.4] in
[8:34.6] diesem
[8:35.0] 30-Grad-Wasserbad
[8:36.3] mit
[8:36.5] den
[8:36.9] schlafenden
[8:37.7] Viren
[8:38.3] befindet,
[8:39.7] die
[8:39.8] Bakterien
[8:40.5] so
[8:40.8] zu
[8:40.9] beeinflussen,
[8:42.2] dass—
[8:43.5] beziehungsweise
[8:44.5] wird
[8:44.6] die
[8:44.8] Beeinflussung
[8:45.5] erst
[8:45.6] dann
[8:45.8] geschehen,
[8:46.1] nachdem
[8:46.5] die
[8:46.6] Flasche
[8:47.2] in
[8:47.3] das
[8:48.3] Wasserbad
[8:48.7] mit
[8:48.8] 42
[8:49.4] Grad
[8:49.5] Celsius
[8:50.0] gelegt
[8:50.4] wurde,
[8:50.6] also
[8:50.8] wo
[8:51.0] eigentlich
[8:51.3] die
[8:51.4] Viren
[8:51.7] aufwachen
[8:52.2] sollten?
[8:53.8] In
[8:53.9] diesem
[8:54.2] Fall
[8:54.3] sollte
[8:55.3] der
[8:55.4] Heiler
[8:55.8] Keith
[8:56.0] Sherwood
[8:56.4] versuchen,
[8:57.2] diese
[8:57.9] Viren
[8:58.2] trotzdem
[8:59.1] schlafend
[8:59.5] zu
[8:59.8] erhalten,
[9:00.3] sodass
[9:00.5] sie
[9:00.6] nicht
[9:01.1] die
[9:01.1] Bakterien
[9:01.7] zerstören.
[9:02.2] Also
[9:02.3] er
[9:02.4] sollte
[9:02.6] die
[9:02.8] Bakterienkultur
[9:03.5] in
[9:03.6] dem
[9:03.7] Fall
[9:04.3] erhalten.
[9:06.0] Keith
[9:06.3] hat
[9:06.5] nun
[9:07.2] bei
[9:07.7] diesem
[9:08.0] Experiment
[9:08.7] etwa
[9:08.9] 20
[9:09.2] Minuten
[9:09.7] lang
[9:09.9] seine
[9:10.1] Hände
[9:10.5] an
[9:10.5] dieser
[9:10.7] Flasche
[9:11.1] angehalten.
[9:12.5] Das
[9:12.6] Resultat
[9:13.4] war
[9:14.2] ein
[9:14.6] bisschen
[9:15.2] zweischneidig,
[9:16.0] möchte
[9:16.2] man
[9:16.4] sagen.
[9:16.9] Es
[9:17.0] hat
[9:17.1] sich
[9:17.2] gezeigt,
[9:17.7] dass
[9:18.3] die
[9:18.4] Kontrollgruppe,
[9:19.9] Kontrollexperiment,
[9:20.6] das
[9:20.7] nicht
[9:20.9] beeinflusst
[9:21.5] wurde,
[9:22.2] sich
[9:22.3] ganz
[9:22.5] so
[9:22.6] verhalten
[9:23.0] hatte,
[9:23.2] wie
[9:23.3] man
[9:23.5] es
[9:23.6] eigentlich
[9:23.9] auch
[9:24.1] erwarten
[9:24.6] würde.
[9:25.3] Nachdem
[9:25.7] also
[9:26.0] die
[9:26.1] Bakterien
[9:27.0] in
[9:27.2] das
[9:27.7] Wasserbad
[9:28.2] mit
[9:28.3] 42
[9:28.8] Grad
[9:28.9] Celsius
[9:29.4] gegeben
[9:29.8] wurden,
[9:30.7] wurden
[9:30.9] die
[9:31.0] Viren
[9:31.3] offenbar
[9:31.6] freigesetzt
[9:32.2] und
[9:32.4] die
[9:32.5] Bakterien
[9:33.1] starben
[9:33.7] ab.
[9:34.3] Während
[9:34.7] die
[9:34.8] von
[9:35.1] Keith
[9:35.6] Sherwood
[9:36.0] Beeinflussten
[9:37.2] zunächst
[9:37.8] einmal
[9:38.4] nicht
[9:39.0] gleich
[9:39.4] abstarben,
[9:40.4] sondern
[9:40.7] da
[9:40.8] verzögerte
[9:41.4] sich
[9:41.7] offenbar
[9:42.0] dieser
[9:42.3] Effekt.
[9:43.5] Etwas
[9:43.8] später,
[9:44.2] so
[9:44.3] zeigt
[9:44.6] sich
[9:44.8] auf
[9:44.9] der
[9:45.0] Grafik,
[9:45.7] sterben
[9:46.0] allerdings
[9:46.4] dann
[9:46.7] auch
[9:47.2] die
[9:47.2] diese
[9:48.0] durch
[9:48.1] den
[9:48.4] Heiler
[9:49.5] bis
[9:49.6] zu
[9:49.7] einem
[9:49.8] gewissen
[9:50.1] Grad
[9:50.6] beeinflussten
[9:51.6] Bakterien
[9:52.4] ab?
[9:53.2] Die
[9:54.5] Antwort,
[9:54.8] die
[9:54.8] man
[9:54.9] darauf
[9:55.2] geben
[9:55.4] könnte,
[9:55.7] auf
[9:55.7] dieses
[9:56.2] Experiment,
[9:57.2] ist:
[9:57.7] Auch
[9:58.0] hier
[9:58.2] müsste
[9:58.5] man
[9:58.8] neue
[9:59.2] Versuchsbedingungen
[10:00.2] ersinnen.
[10:00.7] Dieses
[10:01.0] Experiment
[10:01.5] haben—
[10:02.0] beide
[10:02.3] Experimente—
[10:02.8] die
[10:03.0] Heiler
[10:03.3] niemals
[10:03.9] vorher
[10:04.2] durchgeführt.
[10:05.3] Die
[10:05.5] Biologen
[10:05.9] selbst,
[10:06.2] die
[10:06.3] es
[10:06.4] aufgestellt
[10:07.1] haben,
[10:07.7] haben
[10:07.8] das
[10:08.0] auch
[10:08.3] mehr
[10:08.5] oder
[10:08.5] weniger
[10:09.3] ad
[10:09.5] hoc
[10:10.0] rasch
[10:10.3] erfunden
[10:11.2] für
[10:11.7] eine
[10:11.9] Demonstration
[10:12.8] hier.
[10:13.4] Und
[10:13.5] es
[10:13.6] hat
[10:13.7] sich
[10:13.9] doch
[10:14.1] gezeigt,
[10:14.8] dass
[10:15.1] eventuell
[10:16.5] die
[10:16.7] Hände
[10:17.1] des
[10:17.4] Heilers,
[10:17.8] die
[10:17.9] ja
[10:18.0] nun
[10:18.3] auch
[10:18.6] in
[10:18.6] dem
[10:19.1] Wasser
[10:19.4] waren,
[10:20.0] als
[10:20.6] eine
[10:20.8] Art
[10:21.8] Schutzmantel
[10:22.6] sozusagen
[10:23.2] gedient
[10:23.7] haben,
[10:23.9] sodass
[10:24.3] also
[10:24.5] diese
[10:25.2] 42-Grad-Erhöhung,
[10:27.1] diese
[10:27.3] Temperatur
[10:27.9] nicht
[10:28.1] gleich
[10:28.3] zum
[10:28.5] Tragen
[10:28.9] gekommen
[10:29.3] ist,
[10:29.5] sondern
[10:29.7] erst
[10:29.9] mit
[10:30.0] einer
[10:30.2] Art
[10:30.3] Verzögerung.
[10:31.4] Und
[10:31.5] deshalb
[10:31.8] auf
[10:31.9] ganz
[10:32.1] natürliche
[10:32.7] Weise
[10:33.4] trotzdem
[10:34.2] die
[10:34.3] Bakterien
[10:34.8] mit
[10:35.0] einer
[10:35.2] etwas
[10:35.5] verzögerten
[10:36.0] Phase
[10:36.4] dann
[10:36.9] abgestorben
[10:37.6] sind.
[10:38.2] Also
[10:38.4] auch
[10:38.5] hier
[10:38.9] haben
[10:39.1] wir
[10:39.5] wohl
[10:39.8] einen
[10:40.0] Effekt
[10:40.5] bekommen,
[10:41.1] den
[10:41.2] man
[10:41.4] aber
[10:42.0] wie
[10:42.1] so
[10:42.2] häufig
[10:42.8] bei
[10:42.9] einem
[10:43.3] Pilotexperiment
[10:44.4] oder
[10:44.6] bei
[10:44.9] einem
[10:45.4] allein
[10:45.8] dastehenden
[10:46.4] Experiment
[10:46.9] nicht
[10:47.2] eindeutig
[10:48.4] einer
[10:49.2] Psi-Erklärung
[10:49.9] sozusagen
[10:50.4] zuführen
[10:50.8] kann.
[10:51.5] Hier
[10:51.6] genauso,
[10:53.0] man
[10:53.1] müsste
[10:53.4] mehr
[10:53.7] experimentieren.
[10:54.5] Das
[10:54.8] Problem,
[10:55.3] das
[10:55.5] hier
[10:55.7] häufiger
[10:56.1] angesprochen
[10:56.6] wurde,
[10:56.9] sind
[10:57.5] die
[10:57.6] Finanzen
[10:58.2] auf
[10:58.5] der
[10:58.6] einen
[10:58.9] Seite
[10:59.7] und
[10:59.8] auf
[10:60.0] der
[11:00.1] anderen
[11:00.3] Seite
[11:00.9] Manpower.
[11:01.8] Es
[11:01.8] gibt
[11:02.0] auch
[11:02.1] gar
[11:02.3] nicht
[11:02.5] so
[11:02.8] viele
[11:03.1] Leute,
[11:03.8] die
[11:04.0] sich
[11:04.1] nun
[11:04.2] tatsächlich
[11:05.2] mit
[11:05.4] Parapsychologie
[11:07.1] wissenschaftlich,
[11:07.7] sagen
[11:07.9] wir
[11:08.0] mal,
[11:08.2] auseinandersetzen.
[11:09.0] Es
[11:09.1] gibt
[11:09.4] sehr
[11:09.8] viel
[11:10.0] Interesse,
[11:10.5] aber
[11:10.7] nur
[11:10.8] sehr
[11:11.0] wenig
[11:12.0] tatsächlich
[11:12.7] gute
[11:13.6] Experimente
[11:14.5] und
[11:14.7] Experimentalserien,
[11:15.8] die
[11:16.0] dann
[11:16.5] zu
[11:16.7] einem
[11:16.9] Resultat
[11:17.5] führen
[11:17.7] können,
[11:18.2] das
[11:18.4] uns
[11:18.7] auch
[11:19.1] auf
[11:19.3] rein
[11:19.5] empirischer
[11:19.9] Basis
[11:20.3] weiterführen
[11:20.7] kann.

=== Sprecher B (ab 11:22) ===
[11:22.4] Danke
[11:22.7] sehr.
[11:23.2] Also
[11:23.4] man
[11:23.6] sieht
[11:24.0] doch
[11:24.5] einerseits,
[11:26.4] wie
[11:26.5] man
[11:27.0] experimentieren
[11:27.9] könnte,
[11:28.2] dass
[11:28.4] hier
[11:28.6] ein
[11:28.7] großes
[11:29.2] Feld
[11:29.8] da
[11:30.0] wäre,
[11:31.4] Finanzen
[11:32.5] und
[11:33.3] Experimentatoren,
[11:34.6] vorausgesetzt,
[11:35.5] Ich
[11:36.0] glaube,
[11:36.2] dann
[11:36.3] könnte
[11:36.5] man
[11:36.6] einige
[11:36.9] Leute
[11:37.1] beschäftigen
[11:37.7] damit.
[11:39.2] Dann
[11:40.5] zum
[11:40.7] Experiment
[11:41.4] selber:
[11:42.6] Ja,
[11:43.7] man
[11:43.8] darf
[11:44.1] nicht
[11:44.5] erwarten,
[11:45.4] dass
[11:46.1] Experimente
[11:47.1] eben
[11:47.3] so
[11:47.4] schnell
[11:47.8] schnell
[11:48.2] gemacht
[11:48.7] werden
[11:49.1] können.
[11:49.4] Das
[11:49.5] ist
[11:49.6] leider
[11:49.8] der
[11:50.0] Fehler,
[11:50.6] den
[11:50.8] man
[11:51.0] immer
[11:51.1] denkt,
[11:52.0] denn
[11:52.6] sonst
[11:52.9] müssten
[11:53.3] ja
[11:53.4] nicht
[11:53.6] in
[11:53.8] Laboratorien
[11:54.6] manchmal
[11:55.1] Leute
[11:55.9] jahrelang
[11:57.1] an
[11:57.4] etwas
[11:58.1] arbeiten.
[11:59.5] Das
[11:59.6] war
[11:59.8] schon
[11:60.0] in
[12:00.0] den
[12:00.2] Anfängen
[12:00.7] der
[12:01.0] der
[12:01.7] Physik,
[12:02.2] so
[12:02.7] Cavendish
[12:03.3] hat
[12:03.5] ja
[12:04.1] 12
[12:04.5] Jahre
[12:04.8] daran
[12:05.4] gearbeitet,
[12:06.3] seine
[12:07.0] Gravitationswaage
[12:08.7] zu
[12:09.0] entwickeln,
[12:10.3] um
[12:10.4] die
[12:10.5] Gravitationskonstante,
[12:12.6] etwas
[12:12.8] Lächerliches,
[12:13.7] möchten
[12:14.1] wir
[12:14.2] heute
[12:14.6] sagen,
[12:15.5] zu
[12:15.9] messen.
[12:18.8] Herr
[12:19.5] Hastet
[12:20.4] hat
[12:20.8] noch
[12:21.2] ein
[12:21.4] Experiment
[12:22.4] gemacht
[12:23.5] mit
[12:23.9] Silvio
[12:25.3] diesen
[12:25.7] Morgen.
[12:28.0] Haben
[12:28.4] Sie—
[12:30.6] you
[12:30.7] made
[12:30.9] an
[12:31.0] experiment
[12:31.5] with
[12:31.7] Silvio
[12:32.1] this
[12:32.6] morning.
[12:33.0] Do
[12:33.2] you
[12:33.3] have
[12:34.6] the
[12:34.9] results
[12:35.7] here?

=== Sprecher E (ab 12:36) ===
[12:36.8] I
[12:36.8] see,
[12:36.9] yes.

=== Sprecher B (ab 12:38) ===
[12:38.2] Could
[12:38.3] you
[12:38.4] report
[12:38.9] on
[12:38.9] it?

=== Sprecher E (ab 12:41) ===
[12:41.9] This
[12:42.7] is
[12:42.9] hardly
[12:44.3] an
[12:44.4] experiment,
[12:46.5] but
[12:47.9] I
[12:48.0] suppose
[12:48.6] it
[12:48.8] is
[12:49.0] an
[12:49.2] observation.
[12:52.1] We
[12:52.3] have
[12:52.5] had
[12:52.9] here
[12:53.9] Silvio
[12:54.5] Maier,
[12:56.4] who
[12:56.8] I
[12:57.0] think
[12:59.3] is
[13:00.6] one
[13:00.8] of
[13:01.1] the
[13:01.3] best-known
[13:03.4] metalbenders
[13:05.4] in
[13:05.6] Europe.
[13:08.0] And
[13:08.8] while
[13:09.8] we
[13:09.9] were
[13:10.1] having
[13:10.7] lectures
[13:11.2] this
[13:12.2] morning,
[13:14.6] I
[13:14.8] sought
[13:16.3] out
[13:18.0] Silvio
[13:20.2] spent
[13:21.0] perhaps
[13:21.8] half
[13:22.2] an
[13:22.2] hour,
[13:23.9] 50
[13:24.3] minutes
[13:24.7] with
[13:25.9] him
[13:26.6] because
[13:27.2] I
[13:27.2] have
[13:27.4] never
[13:27.7] met
[13:28.0] him
[13:28.1] before
[13:29.3] and
[13:29.4] I
[13:29.5] was
[13:29.7] very
[13:30.1] interested
[13:30.8] to
[13:31.4] know
[13:31.8] what
[13:32.2] he
[13:32.2] was
[13:32.4] like.
[13:34.6] I
[13:34.8] did
[13:34.9] not
[13:35.4] ask
[13:35.8] him
[13:35.9] to
[13:37.6] perform
[13:39.4] for
[13:39.6] me
[13:41.3] because
[13:42.0] I
[13:42.3] don't—
[13:43.9] I
[13:44.1] asked
[13:44.4] him
[13:44.7] if
[13:44.9] he
[13:45.1] had
[13:45.6] performed
[13:47.2] in
[13:47.4] his
[13:47.7] session
[13:49.5] last
[13:49.8] night?
[13:50.3] And
[13:50.4] he
[13:50.5] said,
[13:50.8] no,
[13:51.2] we
[13:51.3] were
[13:51.5] showing
[13:52.0] films.
[13:53.2] So
[13:53.4] I
[13:53.5] thought,
[13:54.0] ah,
[13:54.7] he
[13:54.8] does
[13:55.1] not
[13:55.2] want
[13:56.0] just
[13:56.2] to
[13:56.5] bend
[13:57.1] spoons.
[13:58.8] So
[13:59.0] I
[13:59.2] said
[13:59.5] nothing,
[14:01.0] but
[14:01.4] I
[14:01.6] tried
[14:01.9] to
[14:02.1] talk
[14:02.5] to
[14:02.7] him
[14:04.0] in
[14:04.1] a
[14:04.2] sympathetic
[14:04.9] way,
[14:06.0] and
[14:06.2] of
[14:06.3] course
[14:07.9] before
[14:10.1] 1
[14:10.4] or
[14:10.5] 2
[14:10.7] minutes
[14:11.7] He
[14:12.0] had
[14:12.1] a
[14:12.2] spoon
[14:13.2] and
[14:13.3] he
[14:13.4] was
[14:13.6] bending
[14:14.1] it.
[14:16.1] Now,
[14:17.8] I
[14:17.9] have
[14:18.1] explained
[14:20.5] all
[14:20.7] the
[14:20.9] time
[14:21.3] here
[14:22.7] that
[14:23.1] I
[14:23.2] do
[14:23.4] not
[14:23.7] like
[14:24.9] experiments
[14:26.3] in
[14:26.4] which
[14:26.7] you
[14:26.8] touch
[14:27.4] the
[14:28.0] spoon,
[14:30.4] and
[14:30.5] I
[14:30.6] am
[14:30.7] afraid
[14:31.3] that
[14:31.4] this
[14:31.7] was
[14:33.2] such
[14:33.7] an
[14:33.9] experiment
[14:35.8] because
[14:36.3] this
[14:36.9] was
[14:37.1] what
[14:37.3] was
[14:37.4] happening.
[14:38.3] And
[14:39.3] I
[14:39.8] would
[14:39.9] accept
[14:40.4] this,
[14:40.8] it
[14:40.9] was
[14:41.1] either
[14:41.4] this
[14:41.7] or
[14:42.0] nothing.
[14:42.7] I
[14:42.8] was
[14:42.9] not
[14:43.2] going
[14:43.3] to
[14:43.4] say
[14:43.6] to
[14:43.8] Silvio,
[14:44.8] please,
[14:46.0] we
[14:46.3] will
[14:46.5] allow
[14:46.9] no
[14:47.2] touch
[14:48.0] at
[14:48.1] all.
[14:49.5] I
[14:49.6] shall
[14:49.9] say
[14:50.0] this
[14:50.4] to
[14:50.6] him
[14:51.1] one
[14:51.2] day
[14:51.9] and
[14:52.1] we
[14:52.2] shall
[14:52.4] do
[14:53.1] such
[14:53.2] experiments.
[14:55.0] But
[14:55.3] at
[14:55.4] least
[14:56.7] I
[14:56.8] was
[14:57.2] able
[14:57.5] to
[14:58.5] ensure
[14:59.1] to
[15:00.0] my
[15:00.7] satisfaction
[15:01.7] that
[15:03.3] he
[15:03.5] was
[15:03.8] not
[15:04.6] using
[15:05.2] manual
[15:05.8] force.
[15:07.1] I
[15:07.2] have
[15:07.5] 10
[15:07.8] years
[15:08.3] experience
[15:09.0] of
[15:09.3] this
[15:09.8] with
[15:10.6] certain
[15:11.3] conjurers
[15:12.7] and
[15:12.9] certain
[15:13.5] metal
[15:13.9] benders
[15:14.5] who
[15:14.6] do
[15:15.1] use
[15:15.4] force,
[15:17.2] and
[15:18.5] I—
[15:18.6] this
[15:19.2] experience
[15:20.1] enables
[15:20.5] me
[15:20.8] to
[15:20.9] make
[15:21.6] this
[15:22.1] statement.
[15:23.4] For
[15:23.6] example,
[15:25.8] Silvio
[15:26.4] held
[15:26.8] the
[15:27.2] spoon
[15:27.8] at—
[15:28.0] first
[15:28.4] of
[15:28.5] all,
[15:29.3] I
[15:29.5] inspected
[15:30.2] the
[15:30.4] spoon
[15:31.0] before
[15:31.5] we
[15:31.7] started.
[15:32.7] It
[15:32.8] was
[15:33.0] not
[15:33.7] his
[15:34.2] spoon.
[15:35.3] It
[15:35.3] is
[15:35.6] quite
[15:35.9] a
[15:35.9] strong
[15:36.7] spoon.
[15:38.1] Secondly,
[15:39.7] I
[15:39.9] did
[15:41.6] ensure
[15:42.5] that
[15:42.8] he
[15:43.0] held
[15:43.3] it
[15:44.3] at
[15:44.5] the
[15:44.8] end
[15:45.3] like
[15:45.6] this.
[15:46.0] I
[15:46.1] have
[15:46.2] 3
[15:46.7] spoons
[15:47.2] here
[15:47.6] because
[15:48.2] he
[15:48.2] worked
[15:48.7] with
[15:49.2] 2
[15:49.4] of
[15:49.6] these,
[15:51.5] and
[15:51.8] my
[15:53.4] eyes
[15:53.7] were
[15:54.0] as
[15:54.2] close
[15:54.9] as
[15:54.9] this
[15:55.3] to
[15:56.5] the
[15:56.7] spoon
[15:58.4] and
[15:59.0] I
[15:59.1] observed
[16:00.1] that
[16:00.4] he
[16:00.5] was
[16:00.9] stroking
[16:02.0] quite
[16:02.8] lightly,
[16:04.5] yes,
[16:05.4] and
[16:05.4] if
[16:05.6] he
[16:05.7] pressed
[16:06.8] then
[16:07.2] you
[16:07.4] could
[16:07.5] see
[16:08.4] that
[16:08.6] the
[16:08.7] spoon
[16:09.6] would
[16:10.1] fall
[16:10.7] rather.
[16:11.3] In
[16:11.5] other
[16:11.7] words,
[16:12.9] his
[16:14.0] technique
[16:16.2] was
[16:16.9] as
[16:17.1] though
[16:18.5] some
[16:18.7] scientists,
[16:20.3] and
[16:20.5] I
[16:20.6] think
[16:21.8] some
[16:22.0] of
[16:22.2] these
[16:22.4] are
[16:22.5] present,
[16:23.7] have
[16:23.9] told
[16:24.3] him,
[16:25.1] you
[16:25.5] must
[16:26.0] never
[16:27.1] do
[16:27.2] like
[16:27.6] this.
[16:28.5] You
[16:28.7] must
[16:29.1] hold
[16:29.5] very
[16:30.2] delicately
[16:31.5] in
[16:31.5] the
[16:31.7] manner
[16:32.1] of
[16:32.8] an
[16:33.0] artist,
[16:33.9] for
[16:34.2] he
[16:34.5] is
[16:34.8] of
[16:35.0] course
[16:36.0] an
[16:36.2] artist.
[16:38.5] Well,
[16:39.4] you
[16:39.5] can
[16:39.7] see
[16:40.0] that
[16:40.2] there
[16:40.5] is
[16:40.6] not
[16:41.0] very
[16:41.8] much
[16:42.1] bending,
[16:43.4] but
[16:43.7] it
[16:43.8] doesn't
[16:44.2] have
[16:44.6] to
[16:45.3] be
[16:45.5] very
[16:45.9] much
[16:46.6] provided
[16:47.4] it
[16:47.6] is
[16:47.8] enough
[16:48.8] for
[16:49.1] us
[16:49.3] to
[16:49.7] be
[16:49.9] sure
[16:51.1] that
[16:51.4] there
[16:51.6] was
[16:51.7] such
[16:52.6] an
[16:52.7] effect.
[16:54.1] So
[16:54.2] therefore
[16:55.3] I
[16:55.4] have
[16:55.6] compared
[16:56.4] the
[16:57.1] spoon
[16:57.7] with
[16:59.0] the
[16:59.3] center
[16:59.9] one
[17:00.4] which
[17:00.5] was
[17:00.7] not
[17:01.7] experimented
[17:02.5] with,
[17:03.7] and
[17:03.9] there
[17:04.1] is
[17:04.4] also
[17:04.8] one
[17:04.9] on
[17:05.2] top
[17:05.9] which
[17:06.1] he
[17:06.2] was
[17:06.4] trying
[17:06.7] to
[17:06.8] bend
[17:07.5] upwards
[17:08.7] and
[17:08.9] which
[17:09.2] there
[17:09.4] is
[17:09.5] a
[17:09.5] small
[17:10.2] effect.
[17:10.9] I
[17:10.9] would
[17:11.1] not
[17:11.3] be
[17:11.5] quite
[17:11.7] certain,
[17:12.5] but
[17:12.7] I
[17:13.0] am
[17:13.2] certain
[17:13.6] of
[17:14.2] the
[17:14.4] effect
[17:15.1] this
[17:16.2] one
[17:16.4] here.
[17:17.2] Well,
[17:17.4] you
[17:17.4] see,
[17:18.1] that
[17:18.5] is
[17:18.8] not
[17:20.4] a—
[17:21.2] after
[17:21.6] 10
[17:21.9] years
[17:22.4] of
[17:22.6] stroking
[17:23.2] spoons,
[17:24.8] that
[17:25.1] is
[17:25.3] not
[17:25.8] much
[17:26.1] of
[17:26.4] an
[17:26.5] experiment,
[17:27.6] but
[17:27.8] it
[17:27.9] is
[17:28.0] the
[17:28.2] best
[17:29.0] I
[17:29.1] can
[17:29.4] do,
[17:30.2] and
[17:30.3] it
[17:30.4] is
[17:30.7] quite
[17:31.1] informal.
[17:33.2] And
[17:33.4] I
[17:33.5] would
[17:33.7] like
[17:34.0] to
[17:34.2] discuss
[17:34.7] this
[17:35.5] with
[17:35.9] everyone
[17:36.9] afterwards
[17:38.4] in
[17:38.5] detail
[17:39.0] to
[17:39.7] see
[17:40.3] perhaps
[17:41.6] where
[17:42.4] I
[17:42.4] could
[17:42.7] have
[17:42.8] been
[17:43.2] mistaken.
[17:45.0] I
[17:45.0] do
[17:45.1] not
[17:45.4] believe
[17:46.9] that
[17:47.9] we
[17:48.1] must
[17:48.4] take
[17:48.7] these
[17:49.1] things
[17:49.9] on
[17:50.0] trust.
[17:51.6] I
[17:51.8] have
[17:52.0] some
[17:52.2] sympathy
[17:53.2] for
[17:53.3] these
[17:53.6] people,
[17:54.0] and
[17:54.4] there
[17:54.6] are
[17:54.7] some
[17:55.1] here
[17:56.5] who
[17:56.6] say,
[17:57.9] I
[17:58.9] have
[17:59.1] not
[17:59.2] seen
[17:59.5] it,
[18:00.5] what
[18:00.9] am
[18:01.1] I
[18:01.2] to
[18:01.4] believe?
[18:03.4] Well,
[18:04.6] we
[18:05.0] must
[18:07.7] continue
[18:08.4] to
[18:09.8] study
[18:11.7] and
[18:11.9] to
[18:12.1] work,
[18:12.5] and
[18:12.8] even
[18:13.1] with
[18:13.6] such
[18:14.2] simple
[18:14.7] experiments
[18:15.7] as
[18:16.0] stroking
[18:16.6] a
[18:16.8] spoon,
[18:17.8] to
[18:18.0] learn
[18:19.6] in
[18:19.7] what
[18:20.0] way
[18:21.0] we
[18:21.2] could
[18:21.6] be
[18:22.1] mistaken.
[18:23.4] But
[18:23.7] I
[18:23.8] have
[18:23.9] spent
[18:24.4] all
[18:24.5] my
[18:24.8] life
[18:25.3] in
[18:25.5] observations
[18:26.4] of
[18:27.1] physical
[18:27.7] things,
[18:28.6] and
[18:28.7] I
[18:28.7] know
[18:29.2] quite
[18:29.5] a
[18:29.5] lot
[18:29.8] about
[18:30.1] the
[18:30.3] properties
[18:30.8] of
[18:31.1] metal
[18:31.8] and
[18:31.9] how
[18:32.4] easy
[18:32.8] or
[18:32.9] difficult
[18:33.3] it
[18:33.6] is
[18:33.9] to
[18:34.2] bend
[18:34.5] it
[18:34.8] with
[18:35.2] one
[18:35.5] hand
[18:36.0] or
[18:36.2] one
[18:36.4] finger
[18:36.9] and
[18:37.1] so
[18:37.2] on.
[18:38.1] I
[18:38.2] have
[18:38.4] trained
[18:38.9] with
[18:39.6] conjurers
[18:40.9] and
[18:42.0] I
[18:42.1] do
[18:42.3] not
[18:42.6] think
[18:43.3] I
[18:43.4] was
[18:43.7] mistaken
[18:44.2] with
[18:44.5] this.

=== Sprecher B (ab 18:45) ===
[18:46.0] Herzlichen
[18:46.5] Dank
[18:46.9] über
[18:47.0] diesen
[18:47.4] Rapport
[18:47.9] der
[18:48.0] Schwarzbiegerei
[18:49.2] von
[18:49.7] Silvio
[18:50.3] mit
[18:50.5] Herrn
[18:50.7] Hastet
[18:51.3] zusammen.
[18:52.8] Es
[18:53.1] hat
[18:53.2] sich
[18:53.5] Herr
[18:53.7] Schiebeler
[18:54.3] schon
[18:54.6] lange
[18:54.8] zum
[18:55.1] Wort
[18:55.4] gemeldet
[18:56.0] zum
[18:56.3] vorigen
[18:56.8] Thema.

=== Sprecher F (ab 18:59) ===
[18:59.6] Zum
[18:59.8] Abschluss
[19:00.2] der
[19:00.4] Frage,
[19:01.3] warum
[19:01.7] die
[19:01.9] Parapsychologie
[19:02.9] auf
[19:03.0] solchen
[19:03.3] Widerstand
[19:04.2] stößt,
[19:05.0] noch
[19:05.2] eine
[19:05.4] Bemerkung:
[19:06.5] Auch
[19:06.6] in
[19:06.7] den
[19:06.9] normalen
[19:07.5] Naturwissenschaften
[19:08.6] hat
[19:08.9] es
[19:09.2] bei
[19:09.8] neuen
[19:10.2] Erkenntnissen,
[19:11.0] bedeutenden
[19:11.6] Erkenntnissen,
[19:12.6] diesen
[19:12.9] harten
[19:13.2] Widerstand
[19:13.8] gegeben.
[19:14.5] Ich
[19:14.7] möchte
[19:15.0] nur
[19:15.0] 2
[19:15.5] Beispiele
[19:16.0] anfügen.
[19:16.6] Der
[19:16.8] eine
[19:17.1] wurde
[19:17.6] ja
[19:17.8] schon
[19:18.0] angeschnitten
[19:18.6] von
[19:18.7] Dr.
[19:19.2] Larcher.
[19:20.4] Die
[19:20.6] Erkenntnisse
[19:21.1] von
[19:21.4] Kopernikus,
[19:22.6] dass
[19:22.8] die
[19:23.0] Sonne
[19:23.3] der
[19:23.4] Mittelpunkt
[19:24.1] unseres
[19:24.8] Planetensystems
[19:26.6] hat
[19:26.9] ja
[19:27.1] 300
[19:27.7] Jahre
[19:28.1] gedauert
[19:28.8] bis
[19:29.0] zum
[19:29.2] Durchsetzen.
[19:31.0] Erste
[19:31.3] Hälfte
[19:31.7] des
[19:32.1] 16.
[19:32.5] Jahrhunderts
[19:33.5] hat
[19:33.7] er
[19:33.7] diese
[19:34.6] Erkenntnis
[19:35.1] ja
[19:35.2] publiziert.
[19:37.1] Man
[19:37.3] glaubte
[19:37.8] damals,
[19:38.7] dass
[19:38.9] die
[19:39.0] Verbreitung
[19:39.9] solchen
[19:40.5] Wissens
[19:41.6] das
[19:41.8] theologische
[19:42.7] und
[19:42.8] politische
[19:43.4] System
[19:44.2] irgendwie
[19:45.3] erschüttern
[19:45.8] würde,
[19:46.6] und
[19:46.7] deswegen
[19:47.2] setzte
[19:47.6] der
[19:47.8] Kampf
[19:48.3] dann
[19:48.7] ein
[19:49.2] der
[19:49.4] katholischen
[19:50.0] Kirche
[19:50.3] dagegen
[19:51.2] bis
[19:51.4] zum
[19:51.6] Jahre
[19:51.8] 1835,
[19:53.9] als
[19:54.1] nämlich
[19:54.5] die
[19:54.7] Bücher
[19:55.1] des
[19:55.2] Kopernikus
[19:56.0] von
[19:56.2] der
[19:56.3] Liste
[19:56.7] der
[19:56.8] verbotenen
[19:57.5] Bücher
[19:58.1] gestrichen
[19:58.6] wurden.
[19:59.2] 300
[19:59.9] Jahre
[20:00.3] hat
[20:00.4] das
[20:00.7] also
[20:00.9] gedauert,
[20:01.7] bis
[20:01.9] der
[20:02.0] Widerstand
[20:02.6] endgültig
[20:03.4] erloschen
[20:03.9] war.
[20:04.5] Und
[20:04.6] ein
[20:04.9] anderes
[20:05.3] Beispiel
[20:05.8] noch,
[20:06.3] das
[20:06.5] betrifft
[20:07.3] die
[20:07.5] Meteore.
[20:08.7] Die
[20:08.9] Meteore
[20:09.5] sind
[20:09.8] ja
[20:10.1] Körper,
[20:10.6] die
[20:10.7] aus
[20:10.9] dem
[20:11.8] Himmelsraum
[20:12.6] kommen,
[20:13.0] auf
[20:13.1] unsere
[20:13.7] Erde
[20:14.0] fallen
[20:14.8] und
[20:14.9] dann
[20:15.9] dort
[20:16.1] verglühen
[20:16.8] und
[20:16.9] die
[20:17.0] man
[20:17.2] dann
[20:17.5] eben
[20:17.6] als
[20:18.0] Sternschnuppen
[20:19.2] am
[20:19.3] Himmel
[20:19.6] sehen
[20:20.0] kann.
[20:20.8] Man
[20:21.0] glaubte
[20:22.0] bis
[20:22.4] um
[20:22.6] 1800
[20:23.3] herum,
[20:24.1] dass
[20:24.8] diese
[20:25.2] Steine,
[20:25.9] die
[20:26.1] da
[20:26.7] glühend
[20:27.4] am
[20:27.6] Himmel
[20:27.8] zu
[20:28.0] sehen
[20:28.3] sind,
[20:28.5] von
[20:28.7] Vulkanen
[20:29.5] ausgeworfen
[20:30.2] würden.
[20:31.5] Ein
[20:31.6] deutscher
[20:32.0] Physiker
[20:32.5] namens
[20:33.0] Chladni
[20:34.3] stellte
[20:34.6] dann
[20:34.9] eine
[20:35.1] andere
[20:35.4] Theorie
[20:36.1] auf,
[20:36.4] nämlich
[20:36.9] dass
[20:37.1] diese
[20:37.5] Steine
[20:38.3] aus
[20:38.3] dem
[20:38.5] Weltraum
[20:39.1] kämen.
[20:40.6] Chladni
[20:41.1] war
[20:41.5] ein
[20:41.6] Mann,
[20:41.9] der
[20:42.0] bekannt
[20:42.4] geworden
[20:42.9] ist
[20:43.1] durch
[20:43.3] die
[20:43.5] sogenannten
[20:44.0] Chladnischen
[20:44.8] Klangfiguren.
[20:46.1] Beginn
[20:46.5] des
[20:46.8] 19.
[20:47.3] Jahrhunderts.
[20:48.5] Man
[20:48.6] hat
[20:48.8] ihn
[20:48.9] erheblich
[20:49.5] angegriffen.
[20:50.5] In
[20:50.5] Frankreich
[20:51.4] Laplace,
[20:52.1] der
[20:52.3] berühmte
[20:52.8] Naturforscher,
[20:53.9] mit
[20:54.1] Heftigkeit:
[20:55.3] Absoluter
[20:56.0] Unsinn,
[20:56.5] völlig
[20:57.0] undenkbar.
[20:58.3] Es
[20:58.4] hat
[20:59.1] etwa
[20:59.4] 50
[20:59.9] Jahre
[21:00.3] gedauert,
[21:01.1] bis
[21:01.3] sich
[21:01.5] auch
[21:01.6] diese
[21:01.9] Erkenntnis
[21:02.6] durchgesetzt
[21:03.3] hat,
[21:03.7] dass
[21:03.9] die
[21:04.0] Meteore
[21:04.7] tatsächlich
[21:05.5] aus
[21:05.6] dem
[21:05.8] Weltraum
[21:06.4] kommen.
[21:07.4] Und
[21:07.7] so
[21:07.9] geht
[21:08.2] es
[21:08.4] auch
[21:08.6] der
[21:08.8] Parapsychologie.
[21:10.0] Wir
[21:10.2] müssen
[21:10.6] warten.
[21:11.6] Max
[21:11.9] Planck,
[21:12.4] der
[21:12.6] bedeutende
[21:13.3] deutsche
[21:14.4] Physiker
[21:15.3] hat
[21:15.6] einmal
[21:16.0] zu
[21:16.1] diesen,
[21:16.5] nicht
[21:16.8] zur
[21:16.8] Parapsychologie,
[21:18.0] sondern
[21:18.4] allgemein
[21:19.0] zu
[21:19.2] neuen
[21:19.5] Erkenntnissen
[21:20.2] gesagt:
[21:21.2] Neue
[21:21.5] Erkenntnisse
[21:22.2] setzen
[21:22.6] sich
[21:22.8] nicht
[21:23.0] dadurch
[21:23.5] durch,
[21:24.2] dass
[21:24.4] die
[21:24.7] anfänglichen
[21:25.4] Gegner
[21:25.9] überzeugt
[21:26.5] werden,
[21:27.2] sondern
[21:27.6] dadurch,
[21:28.0] dass
[21:28.3] diese
[21:28.6] aussterben.

=== Sprecher B (ab 21:36) ===
[21:36.0] Ja,
[21:36.1] und
[21:36.1] es
[21:36.3] ist
[21:36.8] eigentlich
[21:37.8] anzufügen,
[21:39.0] dass
[21:39.3] die
[21:39.4] Sprache
[21:40.3] heute
[21:40.6] fast
[21:41.0] etwas
[21:42.0] ziemlicher
[21:42.6] geworden
[21:43.2] ist
[21:43.5] als
[21:43.7] damals
[21:44.3] zu
[21:44.5] Laplace-Zeiten.
[21:45.5] Da
[21:45.7] ist
[21:45.8] man
[21:45.9] also
[21:46.0] noch
[21:46.5] viel
[21:46.7] brüsker
[21:47.7] aneinandergefahren,
[21:49.0] als
[21:49.5] Wimmers
[21:50.1] und
[21:50.4] Ähnliche
[21:51.2] das
[21:51.5] heute
[21:52.0] tun.
[21:53.2] Herr
[21:53.3] Kranz?

=== Sprecher F (ab 21:54) ===
[21:54.0] Apropos
[21:54.5] Meteoren,
[21:56.3] hatte
[21:56.5] ein
[21:56.6] französischer
[21:57.3] Akademiker
[21:57.9] gesagt,
[21:59.2] es
[21:59.3] können
[21:59.6] keine
[21:59.9] Steine
[22:00.3] vom
[22:00.5] Himmel
[22:00.7] fallen,
[22:01.7] weil
[22:02.0] keine
[22:02.2] Steine
[22:02.7] im
[22:02.9] Himmel
[22:03.1] sind.

=== Sprecher D (ab 22:04) ===
[22:04.1] Ja.

=== Sprecher B (ab 22:04) ===
[22:04.9] Herr
[22:06.1] Welti?

=== Sprecher C (ab 22:07) ===
[22:07.7] Darf
[22:07.9] ich
[22:08.2] nur
[22:08.3] noch
[22:08.6] ganz
[22:09.0] kurz
[22:09.3] sagen,
[22:10.3] der
[22:10.5] erste
[22:10.8] Satz
[22:11.2] von
[22:11.6] Ihnen,
[22:11.9] der
[22:12.1] diese
[22:12.3] Diskussion
[22:13.1] generiert
[22:13.6] hat,
[22:14.2] da
[22:14.3] haben
[22:14.4] Sie
[22:14.6] gesagt,
[22:15.0] dass
[22:15.1] wir
[22:15.3] ein
[22:15.5] reichhaltiges
[22:16.4] Maß
[22:17.0] an
[22:17.2] Experimenten
[22:18.0] und
[22:18.1] Erfolgen
[22:19.3] eigentlich
[22:19.7] haben.
[22:20.6] Und
[22:21.2] das
[22:21.5] ist
[22:21.7] vielleicht
[22:22.2] auch,
[22:23.2] wir
[22:23.3] müssen
[22:23.6] das
[22:23.7] einfach
[22:24.0] sehen,
[22:24.5] ein
[22:24.8] bisschen
[22:25.3] eine
[22:25.4] verzerrte
[22:26.5] Optik,
[22:26.9] weil
[22:27.3] wir
[22:27.7] hier,
[22:27.8] die
[22:27.9] meisten
[22:28.5] hier
[22:29.1] befassen
[22:29.7] sich
[22:30.0] mit
[22:30.1] diesen
[22:30.5] Dingen
[22:31.2] und
[22:31.5] wir
[22:31.7] kennen
[22:32.1] natürlich
[22:32.7] viele
[22:33.4] Experimente
[22:34.2] und
[22:34.4] viele
[22:34.7] Erfolge,
[22:35.8] aber
[22:36.1] die,
[22:37.0] ich
[22:37.1] hätte
[22:37.4] bald
[22:37.7] gesagt,
[22:38.0] die
[22:38.2] normalen
[22:38.7] Leute
[22:39.4] draußen,
[22:40.6] die
[22:40.9] haben
[22:41.1] das
[22:41.4] eben
[22:41.6] nicht.
[22:42.7] Ich
[22:42.8] meine,
[22:43.2] im
[22:43.4] Ganzen
[22:43.9] gesehen
[22:44.6] haben
[22:44.8] wir
[22:45.1] doch
[22:45.5] ein
[22:46.1] sehr
[22:46.3] spärliches
[22:47.2] Maß
[22:48.1] an
[22:48.6] Erfolgen
[22:49.2] und
[22:49.4] an
[22:49.6] Experimenten,
[22:50.7] obschon
[22:51.2] die
[22:51.8] gut
[22:52.1] belegt
[22:52.6] sind,
[22:52.9] aber
[22:53.2] die
[22:53.4] Quantität
[22:54.2] ist
[22:54.4] nicht
[22:54.7] da.
[22:55.2] Und
[22:55.4] das
[22:55.6] müssen
[22:56.0] wir
[22:56.1] einfach
[22:56.5] auch
[22:56.7] immer
[22:56.8] wieder
[22:57.1] ein
[22:57.2] bisschen
[22:57.7] sehen,
[22:58.4] dass
[22:58.6] das
[22:59.3] diese
[22:59.6] Schwierigkeit
[23:00.3] eben
[23:00.6] aufbeschwört.
[23:01.3] Es
[23:01.4] wird
[23:01.6] nicht
[23:01.9] so
[23:02.5] gut
[23:02.8] damit
[23:03.2] ankommen.
[23:04.0] Das
[23:04.2] ist
[23:04.3] ja
[23:04.5] immer
[23:04.7] unser
[23:05.0] Problem.
[23:05.4] Das
[23:05.5] sagt
[23:05.8] Silvio
[23:06.2] auch
[23:06.3] immer:
[23:06.6] Ich
[23:06.7] sollte
[23:07.1] jeden
[23:07.6] Tag
[23:08.3] 200
[23:09.8] Löffel
[23:10.1] biegen,
[23:10.4] jedem
[23:10.7] Menschen
[23:11.2] einfach
[23:11.4] vor
[23:11.6] die
[23:11.7] Nase,
[23:12.4] und
[23:12.5] dann
[23:12.6] wäre
[23:12.8] das
[23:13.1] Problem
[23:13.4] gelöst.
[23:13.9] Aber
[23:14.0] das
[23:14.2] geht
[23:14.6] eben
[23:14.9] nicht.

=== Sprecher B (ab 23:15) ===
[23:15.7] Ich
[23:15.8] meine,
[23:16.0] das
[23:16.2] ist
[23:16.4] ja
[23:16.5] gerade
[23:16.8] von
[23:16.9] unserer
[23:17.4] Tagung
[23:18.4] das
[23:18.7] Hauptproblem
[23:20.0] der
[23:20.4] Informationsverbreitung.
[23:23.5] Das
[23:23.8] ist
[23:23.9] ja
[23:24.0] vielleicht
[23:25.2] Erstmalige
[23:26.3] und
[23:26.6] Einmalige
[23:27.8] dieses
[23:28.2] nun
[23:28.5] jährlich
[23:29.0] stattfindenden
[23:30.0] Kongresses,
[23:31.4] dass
[23:31.6] wir
[23:31.9] eben
[23:32.3] versuchen,
[23:33.4] nicht
[23:33.8] ein
[23:33.9] Gespräch
[23:34.6] unter
[23:35.0] Fachleuten
[23:35.8] anzustreben,
[23:37.2] sondern
[23:37.7] die
[23:38.0] Informationen,
[23:39.2] die
[23:39.6] unter
[23:39.9] den
[23:40.2] Fachleuten
[23:41.2] lagern,
[23:42.5] etwas
[23:43.2] breiter
[23:44.1] auszufächern.
[23:45.7] Wobei
[23:46.1] wir
[23:46.2] natürlich
[23:46.8] überzeugt
[23:47.5] sind,
[23:48.1] dass
[23:48.6] eine
[23:48.9] ganze
[23:49.4] Anzahl
[23:50.0] unter
[23:50.5] Ihnen
[23:50.8] ebenso
[23:51.3] als
[23:51.6] Fachleute
[23:52.3] anzusehen
[23:52.6] sind
[23:53.5] oder
[23:53.8] fast
[23:54.2] so
[23:54.4] anzusprechen
[23:55.4] sind
[23:55.7] wie
[23:55.8] hier.
[23:56.8] Aber
[23:57.1] das
[23:57.3] kann
[23:57.5] ja
[23:57.6] noch
[23:58.3] größere
[23:59.3] Wellenkreise
[24:00.3] machen
[24:00.7] nächstes,
[24:01.4] übernächstes
[24:02.4] Jahr.
[24:03.4] Es
[24:03.7] war
[24:04.2] Herr
[24:04.3] Sinkowski.

=== Sprecher G (ab 24:04) ===
[24:04.9] Ja,
[24:05.7] ich
[24:05.8] möchte
[24:06.2] eigentlich
[24:07.0] zwei
[24:07.2] Dinge
[24:07.6] sagen.
[24:08.7] Das
[24:08.9] eine
[24:09.1] ist
[24:09.3] mehr
[24:09.4] eine
[24:09.8] Information,
[24:10.6] weil
[24:10.8] ich
[24:10.9] sonst
[24:11.3] wiederholen
[24:11.9] müsste,
[24:12.8] was
[24:12.9] schon
[24:13.2] gesagt
[24:13.7] wurde.
[24:14.8] Wir
[24:15.0] müssen
[24:15.3] wohl
[24:15.4] geduldig
[24:16.1] sein,
[24:17.2] diese
[24:18.5] Revolution,
[24:19.5] die
[24:19.6] sich
[24:19.8] da
[24:20.2] eventuell
[24:21.1] anbahnt,
[24:22.3] oder
[24:22.4] von
[24:22.6] der
[24:22.7] wir
[24:23.0] hoffen,
[24:23.2] dass
[24:23.3] sie
[24:23.5] sich
[24:23.8] anbahnt,
[24:24.9] verläuft
[24:25.4] langsam.
[24:26.5] Und
[24:26.6] es
[24:26.7] gibt
[24:27.0] ein
[24:27.1] sehr
[24:27.3] schönes
[24:27.7] Buch
[24:28.4] von
[24:28.6] Thomas
[24:29.1] Kuhn,
[24:30.2] der
[24:30.7] diese
[24:31.2] historischen
[24:32.0] Verläufe
[24:32.5] untersucht
[24:33.2] hat.
[24:34.0] Und
[24:34.0] wenn
[24:34.2] man
[24:34.4] dieses
[24:34.7] Buch
[24:35.0] gelesen
[24:35.6] hat,
[24:36.2] dann
[24:36.4] wundert
[24:36.8] man
[24:37.0] sich
[24:37.3] eigentlich
[24:37.6] nicht,
[24:37.9] dass
[24:38.1] es
[24:38.2] so
[24:38.3] lange
[24:38.6] dauert,
[24:39.3] bis
[24:39.6] ein
[24:39.7] solcher
[24:40.0] Paradigmenwechsel,
[24:42.0] also
[24:42.2] ein
[24:42.4] Wechsel
[24:43.1] von
[24:43.4] einer
[24:43.8] eingefahrenen
[24:44.6] Vorstellungswelt
[24:45.8] in
[24:45.9] eine
[24:46.0] neue,
[24:46.7] andere
[24:47.2] oder
[24:47.4] erweiterte
[24:48.3] sich
[24:48.5] wirklich
[24:48.9] durchgesetzt
[24:49.6] hat.
[24:50.5] Der
[24:50.6] zweite
[24:51.1] Punkt
[24:51.4] betrifft
[24:51.8] eigentlich
[24:52.2] noch
[24:52.5] immer
[24:53.1] die
[24:53.3] Frage,
[24:54.2] warum
[24:54.6] ein
[24:54.7] so
[24:54.9] großer
[24:55.3] Widerstand
[24:56.1] da
[24:56.4] sein
[24:56.7] mag,
[24:57.5] sagen
[24:57.8] wir
[24:57.9] von
[24:58.1] Seiten
[24:58.4] der
[24:58.6] Konservativen.
[25:01.1] Ich
[25:01.2] möchte
[25:01.6] ein
[25:01.7] bisschen
[25:02.1] anschließen
[25:02.6] an
[25:02.8] das,
[25:03.5] was
[25:03.8] Herr
[25:04.1] Dr.
[25:04.4] Negeli-Ossjord
[25:05.3] sagte.
[25:06.5] Das
[25:06.9] mag
[25:07.3] mit
[25:07.4] der
[25:08.0] psychischen
[25:09.0] Konstruktion,
[25:10.4] mit
[25:10.6] der
[25:10.9] Emotionalität
[25:12.1] zusammenhängen.
[25:13.4] Aber
[25:13.5] noch
[25:13.8] mit
[25:14.0] einem
[25:14.2] Punkt:
[25:15.7] Dem
[25:16.2] normalen
[25:16.9] Menschen,
[25:17.6] der
[25:18.0] solche
[25:18.4] Dinge
[25:18.7] zum
[25:18.9] ersten
[25:19.4] Mal
[25:20.2] erfährt
[25:21.2] oder
[25:21.3] damit
[25:21.6] konfrontiert
[25:22.5] wird,
[25:23.1] kommen
[25:23.4] sie
[25:23.5] sicher
[25:24.0] im
[25:24.2] Vergleich
[25:25.1] zu
[25:25.3] seiner
[25:25.9] täglichen
[25:26.7] Lebenswelt
[25:28.0] als
[25:28.4] unheimlich
[25:29.6] und
[25:30.1] bedrohlich
[25:30.8] eventuell
[25:31.5] auch
[25:31.6] vor.
[25:33.1] Um
[25:33.2] es
[25:33.3] etwas
[25:33.7] scherzhaft
[25:34.2] zu
[25:34.4] sagen:
[25:35.1] Es
[25:35.3] gibt
[25:35.6] irgend
[25:35.7] so
[25:35.9] ein
[25:36.0] Liedchen
[25:36.5] von
[25:36.7] unserem
[25:37.4] Liedermacher
[25:38.1] Reinhard
[25:38.6] Mey,
[25:39.3] wo
[25:39.5] es
[25:39.6] heißt:
[25:40.0] Mach
[25:40.3] meine
[25:40.6] heile
[25:40.9] Welt
[25:41.3] kaputt!
[25:43.0] Die
[25:43.1] Menschen
[25:43.6] heute
[25:44.5] haben
[25:44.9] sich
[25:45.7] in
[25:45.8] diese—
[25:46.6] ja,
[25:47.0] Annabelle
[25:47.4] hieß
[25:47.6] das
[25:47.8] Mädchen,
[25:48.2] die
[25:48.4] sollte
[25:48.7] es
[25:48.8] dann
[25:49.6] machen.
[25:51.3] Vielleicht
[25:51.6] war
[25:51.8] das
[25:51.9] ein
[25:52.0] psychokinetisches
[25:53.1] Medium.
[25:54.8] Nun,
[25:55.5] man
[25:55.9] sollte
[25:56.4] also
[25:56.6] klar
[25:57.0] erkennen,
[25:58.0] dass
[25:58.6] diese
[25:59.1] materialistisch
[26:00.1] fundierte
[26:00.9] und
[26:01.4] industriell
[26:02.5] realisierte
[26:03.3] Welt
[26:04.3] uns
[26:04.7] in
[26:04.9] einen
[26:05.2] Zustand
[26:05.9] der
[26:06.3] Sicherheit
[26:07.2] gewiegt
[26:07.7] hat,
[26:08.3] in
[26:08.4] der
[26:08.6] die
[26:08.7] wenigsten
[26:09.3] Leute
[26:09.7] den
[26:09.9] Mut
[26:10.1] haben,
[26:10.9] darüber
[26:11.3] nachzudenken,
[26:12.2] dass
[26:12.5] ihr
[26:12.6] Leben
[26:13.3] eventuell
[26:13.9] auch
[26:14.2] einmal
[26:14.5] zu
[26:14.7] Ende
[26:14.9] geht.
[26:15.7] Oder
[26:15.9] wenn
[26:16.2] schon,
[26:16.8] dann
[26:17.1] aber
[26:17.7] den
[26:17.8] Versuch
[26:18.3] zu
[26:18.4] machen,
[26:18.7] das
[26:19.0] maximal
[26:19.6] Mögliche
[26:20.5] an
[26:20.6] Bequemlichkeit
[26:21.6] und
[26:21.8] ähnlichen
[26:22.2] Dingen
[26:22.7] herauszuholen.
[26:24.3] Wenn
[26:24.8] diese
[26:25.1] parapsychologischen
[26:27.0] Dinge
[26:27.7] im
[26:28.0] größeren
[26:28.6] Rahmen
[26:29.4] real
[26:30.4] sind,
[26:31.3] dann
[26:31.9] sind
[26:32.1] sie
[26:32.5] dieser
[26:33.4] Einstellung,
[26:34.1] dieser
[26:34.4] menschlich
[26:35.0] an
[26:35.1] sich
[26:35.3] ja
[26:35.4] verständlichen
[26:36.2] Einstellung,
[26:36.6] weil
[26:36.9] sie
[26:37.0] aus
[26:37.1] der
[26:37.2] ganzen
[26:37.6] Erziehung
[26:38.2] heraus
[26:38.6] erwächst,
[26:39.4] natürlich
[26:39.9] bedrohlich,
[26:41.2] und
[26:41.4] man
[26:41.6] könnte
[26:42.0] vielleicht
[26:42.6] nicht
[26:43.0] mehr
[26:43.6] so
[26:44.0] unverbindlich
[26:45.1] dahin
[26:45.5] leben,
[26:46.3] wie
[26:46.8] das
[26:47.4] heute
[26:47.7] im
[26:47.9] Allgemeinen
[26:48.4] geschieht,
[26:49.2] wenn
[26:49.4] man
[26:49.6] wüsste,
[26:50.5] dass
[26:50.7] das
[26:51.4] Leben
[26:52.0] nach
[26:52.3] dem
[26:52.5] Tode
[26:53.2] möglicherweise
[26:54.4] davon
[26:54.9] abhängt,
[26:55.5] wie
[26:55.7] man
[26:55.9] vor
[26:56.1] dem
[26:56.3] Tode
[26:56.8] sich
[26:56.9] verhalten
[26:57.4] hat.

=== Sprecher B (ab 27:04) ===
[27:04.9] Stichwort
[27:05.6] des
[27:05.9] Paradigmenwechsels
[27:08.1] müssen
[27:08.5] wir
[27:08.7] dann
[27:09.0] aufgreifen.
[27:09.8] Was
[27:10.0] hat
[27:10.1] das
[27:10.3] Ganze
[27:10.8] für
[27:11.1] einen
[27:11.4] Sinn?
[27:11.8] Herr
[27:11.9] Heim
[27:12.2] hat
[27:12.2] es
[27:12.3] auch
[27:12.5] schon
[27:12.6] gestreift,
[27:13.4] aber
[27:13.5] jetzt
[27:13.7] bitte
[27:13.9] noch
[27:14.4] Monsieur
[27:14.7] Larcher.

=== Sprecher A (ab 27:16) ===
[27:16.7] Je
[27:16.7] pense
[27:18.4] qu'il
[27:18.9] faut
[27:19.0] faire
[27:19.2] une
[27:19.4] distinction
[27:20.5] entre
[27:21.2] les
[27:21.4] rythmes
[27:21.8] d'adaptation
[27:22.7] personnelle
[27:24.1] et
[27:24.1] les
[27:24.3] rythmes
[27:24.6] d'adaptation
[27:25.7] à
[27:25.8] l'échelle
[27:26.7] sociale.
[27:28.3] Quand
[27:28.6] j'étais
[27:29.0] médecin
[27:29.4] du
[27:29.5] travail,
[27:30.1] j'avais
[27:30.9] 27
[27:32.0] médecins
[27:32.1] dans
[27:32.2] mon
[27:32.2] Service.
[27:32.3] Et
[27:33.0] quand
[27:33.3] une
[27:33.7] loi
[27:34.0] en
[27:34.3] France
[27:34.7] nous
[27:35.0] paraissait
[27:35.6] perfectible,
[27:38.1] les
[27:38.2] plus
[27:38.5] jeunes
[27:38.7] des
[27:38.9] médecins
[27:39.2] disaient,
[27:40.1] oh,
[27:40.5] il
[27:40.5] faut
[27:40.7] que
[27:40.8] ça
[27:41.0] change
[27:41.3] dès
[27:41.5] l'année
[27:41.8] prochaine!
[27:43.0] Et
[27:43.2] je
[27:43.3] leur
[27:43.5] disais,
[27:44.1] attendez,
[27:45.0] nous
[27:45.2] serons
[27:45.3] heureux
[27:45.9] si
[27:46.4] la
[27:46.7] loi
[27:46.8] est
[27:47.0] changée
[27:47.3] dans
[27:47.5] 15
[27:47.8] ans.
[27:49.0] Ça
[27:49.3] a
[27:49.4] toujours
[27:49.8] été
[27:50.0] le
[27:50.2] cas,
[27:50.5] il
[27:50.6] a
[27:50.8] toujours
[27:51.0] fallu
[27:51.3] une
[27:51.5] demi-génération
[27:52.6] pour
[27:52.8] obtenir
[27:53.3] un
[27:53.6] changement,
[27:54.4] après
[27:55.3] petites
[27:56.4] expériences,
[27:57.5] puis
[27:57.8] plus
[27:58.2] grandes,
[27:58.7] et
[27:58.8] puis
[27:58.9] une
[27:59.1] certaine
[27:59.7] prudence.
[28:00.3] Pour
[28:00.8] obtenir
[28:01.4] un
[28:01.6] changement
[28:02.0] de
[28:02.4] loi
[28:02.4] applicable
[28:03.1] à
[28:03.7] la
[28:03.8] collectivité
[28:04.5] française.
[28:05.8] De
[28:06.2] la
[28:06.3] même
[28:06.5] manière,
[28:07.7] en
[28:07.9] parapsychologie,
[28:09.5] il
[28:09.6] ne
[28:09.8] faut
[28:09.8] pas
[28:10.1] croire
[28:10.5] qu'il
[28:10.7] soit
[28:11.2] souhaitable
[28:11.9] ni
[28:12.2] bon
[28:12.6] de
[28:13.8] provoquer
[28:14.3] des
[28:14.8] explosions
[28:15.7] de
[28:16.3] changements
[28:16.6] de
[28:17.1] paradigme.
[28:17.9] Il
[28:18.0] faut
[28:18.2] au
[28:18.3] contraire
[28:18.8] respecter
[28:19.5] un
[28:19.8] certain
[28:20.1] rythme,
[28:20.7] une
[28:20.8] certaine
[28:21.5] prudence,
[28:22.6] une
[28:22.6] certaine
[28:23.5] hygiène
[28:23.7] mentale
[28:24.7] pour
[28:25.0] que
[28:25.3] tout
[28:25.5] le
[28:25.8] monde
[28:26.0] ait
[28:26.1] le
[28:26.4] temps
[28:26.4] de
[28:26.6] s'habituer.
[28:28.0] Avec
[28:29.2] des
[28:29.3] implications
[28:30.1] peut-être
[28:30.6] politiques
[28:31.2] ou
[28:31.3] autres
[28:31.7] auxquelles
[28:31.9] on
[28:32.1] a
[28:32.2] fait
[28:32.4] allusion
[28:32.9] tout
[28:33.2] à
[28:33.3] l'heure.
[28:36.3] Il
[28:36.4] y
[28:36.6] a
[28:36.7] aussi
[28:37.0] des
[28:37.1] rythmes
[28:37.8] encore
[28:38.3] plus
[28:38.4] lents
[28:39.3] et
[28:39.5] je
[28:39.6] pense
[28:39.9] ici
[28:40.9] aux
[28:41.1] modalités
[28:41.9] d'expression
[28:43.2] de
[28:43.6] la
[28:44.0] parapsychologie.
[28:45.5] Actuellement,
[28:46.7] il
[28:46.8] y
[28:48.9] a
[28:49.0] une
[28:49.1] fascination
[28:50.2] sur
[28:50.6] les
[28:51.7] fourchettes
[28:52.4] et
[28:52.4] les
[28:52.5] cuillères
[28:53.0] qui
[28:53.2] sont
[28:53.4] des
[28:53.6] symboles
[28:54.0] de
[28:54.1] la
[28:54.2] société
[28:54.7] de
[28:54.8] consommation
[28:55.9] Et
[28:56.4] puis
[28:56.7] les
[28:57.1] montres
[28:57.8] molles
[28:58.3] qui
[28:58.8] sont
[28:59.1] les
[28:59.6] signes
[28:59.8] des
[29:00.7] temps.
[29:02.4] Mais
[29:02.6] il
[29:03.8] faut
[29:04.0] se
[29:04.3] dire
[29:04.4] que
[29:04.9] c'est
[29:05.4] la
[29:05.6] sortie
[29:06.0] motrice.
[29:07.5] Il
[29:07.6] y
[29:07.8] a
[29:07.8] eu
[29:08.0] une
[29:08.2] entrée
[29:08.5] sensorielle
[29:09.1] sous
[29:09.4] forme
[29:09.7] d'images
[29:10.4] surréalistes
[29:11.8] lorsque,
[29:13.1] 30
[29:13.3] ans
[29:13.6] avant,
[29:14.7] Salvador
[29:15.1] Dalí
[29:15.5] peignait
[29:16.5] des
[29:16.9] cuillères
[29:17.2] tordues
[29:17.6] et
[29:18.1] des
[29:18.3] montres
[29:18.5] molles.

=== Sprecher B (ab 29:24) ===
[29:24.6] Nun,
[29:25.3] wenn
[29:25.6] auch
[29:25.8] schon
[29:26.3] diese
[29:26.7] Paradigmenwechsel
[29:27.9] nicht
[29:28.3] übermorgen
[29:29.0] zu
[29:29.4] erwarten
[29:30.0] sind,
[29:31.1] dann
[29:31.5] wäre
[29:31.9] jetzt
[29:32.2] vielleicht
[29:32.8] doch
[29:33.2] noch
[29:33.5] die
[29:33.6] Frage
[29:34.1] zu
[29:34.4] stellen:
[29:35.3] Was
[29:36.0] erwarten
[29:36.8] wir
[29:37.1] denn
[29:37.6] von
[29:37.7] diesen
[29:38.1] Paradigmenwechseln?
[29:39.3] Und
[29:39.3] ich
[29:39.6] kann
[29:40.5] nicht
[29:40.8] umhin,
[29:41.1] doch
[29:41.4] noch
[29:41.7] einmal
[29:42.0] Schopenhauer
[29:42.9] zu
[29:43.2] zitieren,
[29:44.0] der
[29:44.1] einmal
[29:44.5] geschrieben
[29:45.1] hat:
[29:45.4] Die
[29:45.8] in
[29:46.0] Rede
[29:46.5] stehenden
[29:47.3] Phänomene
[29:48.1] sind
[29:49.3] wenigstens
[29:50.4] vom
[29:50.7] philosophischen
[29:51.7] Standpunkt
[29:52.7] aus,
[29:53.2] die
[29:53.3] Betonungen
[29:53.9] von
[29:54.1] mir,
[29:54.8] unter
[29:55.2] allen
[29:55.5] Tatsachen,
[29:56.6] welche
[29:57.1] uns
[29:57.3] die
[29:57.4] gesamte
[29:58.2] Erfahrung
[29:59.1] uns
[29:59.5] darbietet,
[30:00.9] ohne
[30:01.4] allen
[30:01.7] Vergleich
[30:02.4] die
[30:02.6] wichtigsten,
[30:04.0] daher
[30:04.5] sich
[30:04.8] mit
[30:05.2] ihnen
[30:05.8] bekannt
[30:06.3] zu
[30:06.6] machen
[30:07.0] die
[30:07.2] Pflicht
[30:07.7] eines
[30:08.1] jeden
[30:08.6] Gelehrten
[30:09.5] ist.
[30:10.2] Also
[30:10.4] sehen,
[30:10.6] es
[30:10.6] ist
[30:10.9] auch
[30:11.1] nicht
[30:11.4] neu.
[30:12.0] Jetzt
[30:12.3] also
[30:12.5] noch
[30:13.2] so
[30:13.3] ein
[30:13.4] paar
[30:13.7] Minuten
[30:14.5] die
[30:14.7] Frage,
[30:15.8] wo
[30:16.2] sehen
[30:16.6] wir
[30:17.6] die
[30:17.8] neuen
[30:18.3] Paradigmen
[30:19.5] am
[30:19.7] Horizont?

=== Sprecher A (ab 30:22) ===
[30:22.5] Monsieur
[30:22.8] l'archevêque,
[30:24.1] je
[30:24.2] ne
[30:24.3] voudrais
[30:24.6] pas
[30:24.8] trop
[30:25.2] accaparer
[30:25.8] la
[30:26.0] parole,
[30:27.2] mais
[30:27.4] je
[30:27.6] dois
[30:27.8] dire
[30:28.0] que
[30:28.1] j'ai
[30:28.3] été
[30:28.8] extrêmement
[30:29.5] frappé
[30:30.2] dans
[30:30.6] ce
[30:30.8] congrès
[30:32.4] lorsque
[30:32.8] j'ai
[30:33.1] entendu
[30:33.7] de
[30:33.8] la
[30:33.9] part
[30:34.3] d'orateurs
[30:35.1] différents
[30:35.8] venant
[30:36.3] de
[30:36.6] pays
[30:37.1] différents
[30:38.1] et
[30:38.4] de
[30:39.0] disciplines
[30:39.8] différentes
[30:41.3] une
[30:41.4] convergence
[30:42.2] qui
[30:42.8] m'a
[30:42.9] paru
[30:43.6] tout
[30:43.8] à
[30:44.0] fait
[30:44.2] extraordinaire
[30:45.0] chez
[30:45.3] certains
[30:46.1] vers
[30:47.5] la
[30:47.7] notion,
[30:48.3] une
[30:48.6] ouverture
[30:49.2] non
[30:49.7] théologique,
[30:50.9] non
[30:51.1] théologique,
[30:52.3] vers
[30:52.6] la
[30:52.7] notion
[30:53.3] de
[30:53.6] transcendance,
[30:55.0] d'infinitude,
[30:56.5] de
[30:56.8] totalité,
[30:58.6] ce
[30:58.8] qui
[30:59.2] est
[30:59.4] vraiment
[30:59.6] une
[31:00.6] nouvelle
[31:01.1] ouverture
[31:02.0] à
[31:02.4] partir
[31:02.9] de
[31:03.1] faits
[31:03.6] naturels,
[31:04.7] car
[31:05.1] ce
[31:05.3] sont
[31:05.5] des
[31:05.6] faits
[31:06.1] naturels,
[31:06.7] je
[31:06.9] pense,
[31:08.1] vers
[31:08.4] quelque
[31:08.7] chose
[31:09.5] qui
[31:10.2] pour
[31:10.4] certains
[31:11.4] apparaîtra
[31:12.1] comme
[31:13.2] paranaturel
[31:14.0] ou
[31:14.0] supranaturel,
[31:15.7] mais
[31:15.8] d'une
[31:16.1] manière
[31:16.4] générale,
[31:17.4] c'est
[31:17.7] une
[31:17.8] ouverture
[31:18.3] vers
[31:18.6] la
[31:18.6] transcendance.
[31:19.8] Voilà
[31:20.1] ce
[31:20.3] qui
[31:20.4] m'a
[31:20.7] frappé
[31:21.2] au
[31:21.2] cours
[31:21.5] de
[31:21.5] ce
[31:21.8] congrès.

=== Sprecher B (ab 31:25) ===
[31:25.6] Weitere
[31:28.5] Gedanken
[31:29.5] zu
[31:31.2] eben,
[31:32.3] was
[31:32.5] sollen
[31:32.8] die
[31:32.9] neuen
[31:33.3] Paradigmen,
[31:34.0] wohin
[31:34.4] führt
[31:34.7] uns
[31:35.0] das
[31:35.2] Ganze,
[31:35.7] was
[31:35.9] ist
[31:36.1] der
[31:36.2] Sinn?
[31:38.2] Herr
[31:38.4] Heim.

=== Sprecher H (ab 31:39) ===
[31:39.1] Ich
[31:40.9] meine,
[31:42.3] ein
[31:42.8] Paradigmenwechsel
[31:43.9] in
[31:44.1] der
[31:44.3] Wissenschaft
[31:46.1] kann
[31:47.0] niemals
[31:47.7] so
[31:49.0] verlaufen,
[31:50.7] dass
[31:51.0] man
[31:51.3] sagt,
[31:51.8] das,
[31:52.0] was
[31:52.2] wir
[31:52.5] bisher
[31:52.8] erarbeitet
[31:53.8] haben
[31:54.0] und
[31:54.2] wissen,
[31:54.6] ist
[31:54.7] plötzlich
[31:55.3] ungültig.
[31:56.9] So
[31:57.2] etwas
[31:57.7] geht
[31:58.0] nur
[31:58.3] mit
[31:58.8] Ideologien,
[32:00.5] mit
[32:00.7] philosophischen
[32:02.4] Gedankengebäuden,
[32:03.8] nicht
[32:04.4] aber
[32:04.8] mit
[32:04.9] den
[32:05.4] Fakten
[32:06.0] der
[32:06.1] Naturwissenschaften,
[32:07.6] die
[32:07.7] bekannt
[32:08.2] sind.
[32:09.3] Das
[32:09.5] ist
[32:09.8] ein
[32:10.0] Wissen,
[32:10.2] das
[32:10.5] wird
[32:10.7] immer
[32:11.0] bleiben.
[32:11.9] Ein
[32:12.1] Paradigmenwechsel
[32:13.4] selber
[32:14.2] kann
[32:14.6] diese
[32:15.0] Fakten
[32:15.9] nicht
[32:16.7] ändern,
[32:17.4] denn
[32:17.6] ob
[32:17.8] ich
[32:17.8] das
[32:18.1] Paradigma
[32:18.8] der
[32:19.0] Wissenschaft
[32:19.6] wechsle
[32:20.2] oder
[32:20.4] nicht,
[32:21.2] ein
[32:21.3] Stein
[32:21.8] fällt
[32:22.0] immer
[32:22.2] nach
[32:22.5] unten
[32:23.4] und
[32:23.5] Wasser
[32:23.9] wird
[32:24.1] nicht
[32:24.3] nach
[32:24.6] oben
[32:24.9] fließen.
[32:26.0] Es
[32:26.2] gibt
[32:26.6] bestimmte
[32:27.3] Naturgesetze
[32:28.4] quantitativer
[32:29.2] Art,
[32:29.5] die
[32:29.5] nicht
[32:30.6] beseitigt
[32:31.3] werden
[32:31.5] können.
[32:32.6] Was
[32:33.0] aber
[32:33.2] möglich
[32:33.9] ist,
[32:35.9] wäre
[32:37.8] eine
[32:38.2] Offenheit
[32:40.7] demjenigen
[32:41.9] gegenüber,
[32:42.9] was
[32:43.6] jenseits
[32:44.7] des
[32:45.7] erfundenen
[32:46.5] Daches
[32:46.9] liegt,
[32:47.1] über
[32:47.2] das
[32:47.4] ich
[32:47.5] vorhin
[32:47.8] sprach.
[32:49.7] Ich
[32:49.8] könnte
[32:50.1] mir
[32:50.3] vorstellen,
[32:52.5] dass
[32:52.9] man
[32:53.2] zwar
[32:54.2] vom
[32:54.5] Fundament
[32:55.2] des
[32:55.3] Baus
[32:55.5] ausgeht
[32:58.0] und
[32:58.2] versucht,
[33:00.5] auf
[33:00.8] indirektem
[33:01.6] Wege
[33:04.0] noch
[33:04.5] unbekannte,
[33:06.2] aber
[33:06.6] uns
[33:07.4] verhältnismäßig
[33:08.6] nahe,
[33:09.0] um
[33:09.1] es
[33:09.2] ganz
[33:09.4] bescheiden
[33:10.0] auszudrücken,
[33:11.8] nahe
[33:11.9] Bereiche
[33:13.6] dieser
[33:14.0] uns
[33:14.2] in
[33:14.5] ihrem
[33:15.1] Wesen
[33:15.6] völlig
[33:16.0] unbekannten
[33:17.8] übergeordneten
[33:18.9] Weltganzheit
[33:20.8] zu
[33:21.0] erkennen,
[33:22.8] Und
[33:22.8] so
[33:24.5] unser
[33:25.1] Bild,
[33:25.9] nach
[33:26.7] oben
[33:27.0] ja
[33:27.4] ohnehin
[33:27.9] offen
[33:28.2] ist,
[33:28.5] zu
[33:28.6] erweitern,
[33:29.8] den
[33:30.0] Horizont
[33:30.6] zu
[33:30.8] erweitern,
[33:32.7] und
[33:33.3] in
[33:33.4] der
[33:33.6] Hoffnung,
[33:35.6] dass
[33:36.0] wir
[33:37.5] zumindest
[33:38.8] so
[33:39.2] viel
[33:39.5] von
[33:39.7] dieser
[33:40.3] uns
[33:40.6] unbekannten
[33:41.4] übergeordneten
[33:42.1] Ganzheit
[33:42.6] erschließen
[33:43.1] können,
[33:44.5] kraft
[33:44.9] des
[33:45.4] Erkenntnisvermögens,
[33:46.9] dass
[33:47.2] wir
[33:48.1] gewisse
[33:48.6] Bereiche
[33:49.8] menschlichen
[33:50.7] Daseins
[33:51.5] damit
[33:52.0] abdecken
[33:52.6] können,
[33:53.9] um
[33:55.1] unseren
[33:55.4] Mitmenschen
[33:57.3] die
[33:57.6] Angst
[33:58.2] zu
[33:58.4] nehmen,
[33:59.5] die
[33:59.8] Angst
[34:00.6] vor
[34:00.8] der
[34:01.0] Zeit,
[34:02.3] die
[34:02.6] Angst
[34:03.0] vor
[34:03.2] ihrer
[34:03.4] zeitlichen
[34:04.2] Begrenztheit,
[34:06.3] und
[34:06.3] dass
[34:06.6] wir
[34:06.9] ihnen
[34:07.1] vielleicht
[34:07.5] die
[34:07.6] Tränen
[34:08.1] abtrocknen
[34:08.9] können
[34:11.1] und
[34:11.2] dass
[34:11.4] wir
[34:12.9] ihnen
[34:13.1] zeigen
[34:13.6] können,
[34:14.9] welche
[34:15.3] Maßstäbe
[34:17.3] an
[34:17.4] das
[34:17.6] menschliche
[34:18.2] Leben
[34:18.6] vom
[34:18.9] Kosmos
[34:19.4] selbst
[34:19.9] angelegt
[34:20.5] werden,
[34:21.9] damit
[34:22.9] ein
[34:23.3] unerlässlicher
[34:25.6] Gesinnungs-
[34:26.2] und
[34:26.4] Bewusstseinswandel
[34:27.7] sich
[34:27.9] vollzieht.
[34:29.1] Denn,
[34:29.2] meine
[34:29.5] Damen
[34:29.8] und
[34:29.9] Herren,
[34:30.2] denken
[34:30.6] Sie
[34:30.8] bitte
[34:31.1] immer
[34:31.4] daran:
[34:32.0] Das,
[34:32.4] was
[34:32.8] wir
[34:33.1] heute
[34:33.6] erarbeiten,
[34:35.3] kann
[34:35.6] die
[34:35.8] Religion
[34:36.4] der
[34:36.6] Masse
[34:36.9] von
[34:37.2] morgen
[34:37.7] sein.
[34:38.9] Möchte
[34:39.2] ich
[34:39.3] an
[34:39.3] die
[34:39.5] Verantwortlichkeit
[34:40.9] appellieren.
[34:42.2] Aber
[34:43.5] vielleicht
[34:44.7] können
[34:45.1] wir
[34:46.1] durch
[34:46.4] ein
[34:46.7] Erkennen,
[34:48.0] ein
[34:48.2] klareres
[34:48.9] Erkennen
[34:50.3] aller
[34:50.6] dieser
[34:51.0] Dinge
[34:51.5] des
[34:51.9] Menschseins
[34:52.6] schlechthin,
[34:54.0] diesen
[34:54.3] Bewusstseinswandel
[34:56.3] noch
[34:56.6] rechtzeitig
[34:58.5] erreichen.
[34:59.8] Denn,
[35:00.9] meine
[35:01.2] Damen
[35:01.5] und
[35:01.6] Herren,
[35:02.0] viel
[35:02.7] Zeit
[35:03.2] ist
[35:03.4] nicht
[35:03.8] mehr.
[35:05.3] Mit
[35:05.4] heutigen
[35:05.9] Technologien
[35:07.7] aber
[35:08.0] einem
[35:08.1] Bewusstsein,
[35:08.9] das
[35:09.3] der
[35:09.3] Steinzeit
[35:10.2] entspricht,
[35:12.2] ist
[35:12.5] der
[35:12.6] Mensch
[35:13.0] durchaus
[35:13.6] imstande,
[35:15.2] auch
[35:15.4] ohne
[35:16.5] Pershing-II-Kreuzmissile
[35:18.6] und
[35:19.3] SF-20-Raketen
[35:21.4] diesen
[35:21.9] Planeten
[35:22.5] in
[35:22.7] verhältnismäßig
[35:23.6] kurzer
[35:24.0] Zeit
[35:24.3] unbewohnbar
[35:25.0] zu
[35:25.1] machen,
[35:27.0] sofern
[35:27.6] es
[35:27.8] nicht
[35:28.0] zu
[35:28.2] einem
[35:28.5] Bewusstseinswandel
[35:29.8] kommt.
[35:31.1] Darin
[35:31.5] sehe
[35:31.9] ich
[35:32.1] den
[35:32.4] Sinn
[35:32.9] aller
[35:33.1] dieser
[35:33.5] Arbeiten
[35:34.0] und
[35:34.3] anderen
[35:34.6] sind,
[35:34.7] kann
[35:34.9] es
[35:35.1] gar
[35:35.3] nicht
[35:35.5] haben.

=== Sprecher B (ab 35:42) ===
[35:42.2] Ich
[35:42.5] glaube,
[35:48.2] Herr
[35:48.4] Heim
[35:48.7] hat
[35:48.8] das
[35:49.2] ausgesprochen,
[35:50.1] was
[35:50.3] wir
[35:50.6] alle
[35:50.9] sagen
[35:51.3] wollten,
[35:51.8] und
[35:51.9] ich
[35:52.1] möchte
[35:52.4] eigentlich
[35:52.7] das
[35:53.2] als
[35:53.3] Schlusswort
[35:53.9] betrachtet
[35:54.6] haben
[35:54.9] wollen.
[35:55.8] Unser
[35:56.0] Podiumsgespräch
[35:57.4] sei
[35:57.6] damit
[35:58.0] abgeschlossen.
[35:58.6] Für
[35:58.8] heute.
[35:59.4] Ich
[35:59.5] danke
[35:59.9] Ihnen.